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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#481 - 2012-06-21 21:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
Hell did VV or Akita T even see this coming? VV was predicting another big peak in minerals in July but guess this throws a spanner in the works of that plan


Why should I have predicted a peak in July?
Where would I have posted that thing?

Or are you using my name to put people buy stock you purchased and remained the guy with the lit match in the hands?


What I say and think is officially posted on this thread and on the trading section of my website.


Link

May have been double bottoms, but, there was a post where you linked a graph and a lengthy explanation of it, with peaks in July, might be in amongst that threadnaught you linked o.0

and naw... the mins I had went off to manufacturing some stuff instead.




First of all that thread is about Zydrine only.

Then

"All you have to do is to look for confirmed double bottoms in July".

This does not mean zydrine will peak in July. It means that you may look for a double bottom which is a price formation with a "W" shape. Double bottom means "two bottoms". Bottoms in my limited dictionary are the LOWest points of price not peaks.

After a double bottom, price may rise a bit, then pull back on the top of the ideal rectangle encasing such W formation and then start slowly rising. Only then you are meant to buy. Only then, if you find a double bottom in July, might be end of July to beginning of September.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#482 - 2012-06-21 21:37:46 UTC
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.


Now why would they need to do that? Loop holes can happen in any game.

Anyone can take advantage of them, not everyone would then turn around and make sure the loop hole got reported and closed.

I don't blame them for making some ISK out of it, it was not deemed an exploit when they were actively doing it, if fact they could just as easily STILL be doing it.

So perhaps you should take a step back before you deign to speak for the majority of the player base.

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ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#483 - 2012-06-21 21:38:41 UTC
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.





Hes mad he didnt find the glitch.

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#484 - 2012-06-21 21:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

If this thread is any indication of the feelings of the majority of the playerbase, your opinion is in the minority.

Ranger 1 wrote:
Nicely done, congratulations gentlemen.

I appreciate that you tipped off CCP after making your fortunes, something you didn't necessarily have to do.

My new Amarr FW alt should become a lot more interesting shortly. Smile

Given that Minmatar have lost something like 35 points in the past day...

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#485 - 2012-06-21 21:38:53 UTC
re: PI "broken" items: money was given back (there were and still are npc buy orders for the parts that let you cash out)

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#486 - 2012-06-21 21:42:22 UTC
corestwo wrote:
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

If this thread is any indication of the feelings of the majority of the playerbase, your opinion is in the minority.

Ranger 1 wrote:
Nicely done, congratulations gentlemen.

I appreciate that you tipped off CCP after making your fortunes, something you didn't necessarily have to do.

My new Amarr FW alt should become a lot more interesting shortly. Smile

Given that Minmatar have lost something like 35 points in the past day...


Shocked

Holy crap, I really need to get home from work.

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MidnightWyvern
Fukamichi Corporation
SAYR Galactic
#487 - 2012-06-21 21:42:24 UTC
Mere words cannot express my love for Goonswarm Federation.
You guys are ******* sick, and if you ever stop being so, I will never stop crying.

Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!

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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#488 - 2012-06-21 21:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
REMOVED TO PROTEST CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Edington Trent
Prompt Critical
#489 - 2012-06-21 21:48:17 UTC
Wow, this makes me incredibly sad. I have a strong desire to just let my game time run out.

Why? There's no point in me playing eve anymore. It's pretty obvious I'll never be successful since I'll never be as clever as the people who pull stuff like this.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#490 - 2012-06-21 21:49:37 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
CCP have never once said they will fix the situation. Only *IF* it "merits" attention.

CCP has fixed, at least with a bandaid, the things that made this possible, and I'm sure that they plan to put a more permanent patch into place as well. The only thing remaining to be "fixed" is whether they take action against us for it.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Myopic Thyne
Accounts Payable.
#491 - 2012-06-21 21:51:10 UTC
Aryth wrote:

Most people are myopic.



Just confirming, most people are me. I am a master of alts.
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#492 - 2012-06-21 21:55:05 UTC
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

Good luck with that, they didnt gained isk from it. Only assets.

Unless, of course, there is a part of it I didnt understoof.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#493 - 2012-06-21 21:55:35 UTC
And not a single **** was given.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#494 - 2012-06-21 22:01:33 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
CCP have never once said they will fix the situation. Only *IF* it "merits" attention.

CCP has fixed, at least with a bandaid, the things that made this possible, and I'm sure that they plan to put a more permanent patch into place as well. The only thing remaining to be "fixed" is whether they take action against us for it.


Yeah, the did rather leave the door open for that.

If they are smart they will work out something amicable, in return for a heads up on any similar issues that might arise in the future.

Good luck!

(At the very least you should get a hearty thank you from all of the Minmatar FW pilots that have been cashing in as well... and from the Amarr FW pilots who now get the extreme satisfaction of kicking their teeth in.)

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Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#495 - 2012-06-21 22:07:04 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

Good luck with that, they didnt gained isk from it. Only assets.

Unless, of course, there is a part of it I didnt understoof.


Nope, and I repeat for the low reading comprehension guys, No Isk Was Created, Only Spent

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#496 - 2012-06-21 22:07:48 UTC
Well done Goons. This is player driven content at its best.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#497 - 2012-06-21 22:10:58 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
And not a single **** was given.


25 pages later...

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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#498 - 2012-06-21 22:12:04 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

Good luck with that, they didnt gained isk from it. Only assets.

Unless, of course, there is a part of it I didnt understoof.


Nope, and I repeat for the low reading comprehension guys, No Isk Was Created, Only Spent


Just curious, when ships are blown up of the opposing faction and rewards are given based on ship value... that's creating LP right? ccp might argue that's an isk faucet, mind you they clearly said that was going to be a game mechanic so... yeah, working within the rules.
Travis Musgrat
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#499 - 2012-06-21 22:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


So what I am reading here is -----Edit-----

Post edited.
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ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#500 - 2012-06-21 22:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work.

Good Job goons, keep it up. You fight for the common EVE player against CCP and the pets. Burn New Eden in the name of the helpless.

Goons have stolen CCP's silver spoon that they use to feed their pets and CCP is pissed off, good work goons!