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Critique my PvP eagle fit
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strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-20 16:27:17 UTC
This is for small gang roams.

549 dps
24,288 ehp

Resists are
78.2EM
90.8T
86.2K
77Ex

[Eagle, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
10MN Afterburner II

Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I

I went AB to work inside scram range and keep my sig radius down. I wanted to stay away from sheild rigs to stay with the idea of being small. Went for the Nos over the nute for cap reasons.

Let me know if their is anything I can improve. If trying to keep my sig in a cruiser is stupid let me know I can swap things around to go passive like so.

[Eagle, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#2 - 2012-06-20 17:39:58 UTC
Keeping you sig small with a shield ship is going to be hard. As I'm sure you ill hear form many people in a bit, the Eagle is under-powered in the brawler role. If you're going to fight in Scram range you need a beefy ship that can take a hit or ten...and the Eagle is not that ship. It can achieve a solid range with medium rails, but if you intend to brawl you are better off in a shield tanked gallente variant.

Have you tried shield fitting a Thorax? That seems pretty much how you intend to fly it.

You mentioned small gang role, and I assume you intend to be DPS. I hate to say it but you may be better off in a battle-cruiser. A Cane, Drake, Brutix, Myrm, Harb...pretty much all of them perform the roaming role better and cheaper. If you are going for sig tanking then go for armor HACS and have loki links, and logi.

If you want to get a feel for what this ship will fly like, fit a Moa or Ferox similarly. They are very good approximations of how this ship will fly.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-20 17:43:39 UTC
AB with blasters? good luck catching anything.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-20 18:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
It's an Eagle. That's about the biggest con out of the whole thing.

For the first fit, you have a std large shield booster with no cap injector. You are going to have trouble tanking one Cane at 20km then cap out and die in very short order. Even with crystals and links, you're going to cap out and die.

The second fit is better, but still kinda bad, the Eagle's DPS is questionable at best under ideal circumstances and you're using ions instead of neutrons.
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-20 21:33:17 UTC
What's that? You want me to critique your fit? Ok then, let's see...mag stabs check, tracking enhancer check, blasters check, AB?, well, not for me personally, but you could...EM and Invuln, personally i'd go with 2 invuln and an em rig, but there ya go...DC check, scram check...no web, hmm, thinkin about it, i'd go with an invuln, em rig and web. So yeah, not a bad fit, could be better bu....an EAGLE??? Nope, sorry it's crap
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2012-06-20 21:47:53 UTC
I have never flown one, but I think the Eagle strong point is known as a sniper.
Dark suggested that another ship might be a better blaster platform. I tend to agree.
Alexa pointed out AB/Blaster issues. Here too, I agree.

Best bet is to critique it yourself after it dies. All ships die. Have fun with it.
Alara IonStorm
#7 - 2012-06-20 22:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
If you are really gonna fly such an outside the box ship then I say really just let the crazy go wild.

[Eagle, F**k logic]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

If you have enough tackle you can jam on a second SBA II. Either way by the time you run out of cap boosters you'll have tanked more then any buffer fit.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#8 - 2012-06-21 01:24:15 UTC
Critique your PvP eagle fit? I can do that:

1. You're flying an Eagle.

Nothing more need be said.
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-21 17:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: strenif
Alara IonStorm wrote:
If you are really gonna fly such an outside the box ship then I say really just let the crazy go wild.

[Eagle, F**k logic]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

If you have enough tackle you can jam on a second SBA II. Either way by the time you run out of cap boosters you'll have tanked more then any buffer fit.


Wow... I actually really like that fit.... I didn't even know you could use cap boosters in a shield booster.
Alright, I'll fit it up tonight and see how it does. And you know what, just for you I'm going to name it "F**k Logic"

Edit: Looks like their is just enough room for a small neut. No reason not to fit it.

22.962 EHP

457 DPS

Cap last until I run out of boosters

Resists
72% EM
91% T
86% K
77% Ex

[Eagle, F**k Logic]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Small Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

You know, If I were really crazy, I'd drop the DC2 and put in a cargo expander to hold more cap boosters... does kill my speed though... meh DC2 it is.
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-06-21 19:55:16 UTC
I want to love my eagle more than anything, and I've tried so many different fits. It seems it always falls down to two scenarios:

a) You get neuted out, lose scram/point/web, and can't fire your guns on a target bleeding structure.

b) You get outrun by just about every other ship in Eve. It's a slow potato. Which means you need a scram and a web.

I'm willing to give it another try with an ancillary shield booster; but I would still want to run a medium nos so you can fire your guns at least. For now my Eagle sits docked. I undock it to kill pods who logged off with aggro, that's about as much fun as it has.

For the same price, it's just so much more fun to fly a vagabond... or Deimos.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#11 - 2012-06-21 20:16:29 UTC
Unfortunately, I have experience with the Ancillary Shield Booster on a cruiser hull. Reload time is 60 seconds. If you run the booster without cap charges, it will cap you dry. Much the same as an aggression timer, if you cant dock, jump, run, or kill your enemy, you will not be needing a reload.

If incoming DPS is 500, that = 5000 in 10 seconds. 15000 in 30 seconds. Most cruiser hulls don't have much more than 15000. More important, most incoming DPS is much more than 500.

Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2012-06-21 20:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
strenif wrote:

You know, If I were really crazy, I'd drop the DC2 and put in a cargo expander to hold more cap boosters... does kill my speed though... meh DC2 it is.

The Aux Shield Boosts have a 60second reload time. You use navy 400 charges because they give you the highest amount of boosts. One boost per charge no matter the size navy 400's being the smallest it fits. 52 seconds perma run, longer if you pulse and since it reps a ton you shouldn't need it too much.

Basically you have one shot at it before you need to either win or warp out / pull range and reload. It repairs a ridiculous amount while active though.
RavenPaine wrote:

If incoming DPS is 500, that = 5000 in 10 seconds. 15000 in 30 seconds. Most cruiser hulls don't have much more than 15000. More important, most incoming DPS is much more than 500.

Thing about the Eagle is with its crazy resists 1200 is the least amount per second it repairs on its lowest resist and EM is not that common in small gangs.
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-21 22:46:46 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
strenif wrote:

You know, If I were really crazy, I'd drop the DC2 and put in a cargo expander to hold more cap boosters... does kill my speed though... meh DC2 it is.

The Aux Shield Boosts have a 60second reload time. You use navy 400 charges because they give you the highest amount of boosts. One boost per charge no matter the size navy 400's being the smallest it fits. 52 seconds perma run, longer if you pulse and since it reps a ton you shouldn't need it too much.

Basically you have one shot at it before you need to either win or warp out / pull range and reload. It repairs a ridiculous amount while active though.
RavenPaine wrote:

If incoming DPS is 500, that = 5000 in 10 seconds. 15000 in 30 seconds. Most cruiser hulls don't have much more than 15000. More important, most incoming DPS is much more than 500.

Thing about the Eagle is with its crazy resists 1200 is the least amount per second it repairs on its lowest resist and EM is not that common in small gangs.



Good stuff. I'll do some testing on sisi before I take it out just so I'm used to running the tank. You've been very helpful, thank you for the advice. If I get some kill mails I'll post them in this thread.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#14 - 2012-06-21 23:30:30 UTC
The best thing to do with the eagle would be to reprocess it as fast as you can.Big smile
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-22 14:15:13 UTC
Eagle with 200km+ sniper fit, okayish.

But SR blasters? A nono.

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