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Is it worth skilling up on other Race Ships?

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Ano Regni
YOKELS
#1 - 2012-06-21 18:46:34 UTC
With my previous Newb experiences in arming my Gallente ship with Lasers, and repurchasing Railguns and having to buy the Ammo and hall that around in my cargo hold (which takes room, and yes I know I can leave it at the Hanger but I am currently nomad-ding the galaxy at present (is that a word?)). Is it worth skilling up on let's say Amarr and Mimatar Frigates and Cruisers? Or should I just carry my Gallente skills up to BattleCruiser and on and stick with one Race?

In other words:

is it logical that I should stick with a Specific Race of ships and carry it through then worry about skilling on other Race's ships

or

should I skill up on Gallente Cruiser, and bring some other Race specific ship Skills up to this level as well and have a variety of ships I can fly, then proceed on to battlecruisers and above?


I notice some people reference to specific ships such as the Rifter and Orca and things, and in my Mining thread I had a week or so ago people referenced to using other Race ships such as Caldari and Mimatar, so I am guessing it makes sense for variety?

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#2 - 2012-06-21 18:52:19 UTC
As a new player, your best bet is to focus on one or two things for a while before branching out. Jack of all trades is master of none and so on.

I'd suggest sticking with Gallente stuff for a while. For combat, that'd be drone and gunnery skills (hybrid gunnery in particular). When you have a solid set of core support skills, then branching out into other races becomes a viable option.

Of course, with your character being only 11 days old, switching to another race and sticking with it wouldn't be much of a problem. Just remember to focus on one or two things at a time and not spread yourself thin, and you should be good.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-21 18:55:53 UTC
You can branch out to as many races as you want.

But I do suggest that you pick a race with a playstyle you like and focus on them first before branching out.
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Domono
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-21 19:54:03 UTC
I myself am I dedicated Gallente pilot. I will never cross train until I totally run out of valid things to raise to 5. Works great for me as I am strong in any ship I jump into. If your really focused you can outclass people with way more SP than yourself, while still affording yourself some versatility. Due to the fact that 20m SP they have over you is spread out making them diluted.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-21 20:20:49 UTC
There is nothing wrong with flying several races of ships (I myself can fly them all well with t2 guns) but until you master 1 race of ships there is no reason to switch race unless you really want to. Switching is really a expand as you grow as a pilot.

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Domono
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-21 20:58:59 UTC
Agreed. After a point there isn't anything wrong with cross training. The point is there is no reason to train up to just the basics for a gallente battleship then turn around and do just the basics for amarr so on and so forth. Focus on getting good skills in one before branching out to others. Exception would be a pirate faction ship that uses same defense and weapons. Like Sepentis (Gallente, Minmater) for a Gallente pilot.

I was simply stating that my personal choice is to stick to just Gallente ships until I have them all maxed out. Then I will start looking at other, but that will be a long way down the road. I like it that way, and haven't suffered from my choice. Advantages and disadvantages both ways.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#7 - 2012-06-21 21:25:41 UTC
When you're new, it makes sense to spend a little bit of time familiarizing yourself with the various flavors that the 4 races offer. There's nothing wrong with taking a couple weeks to train adequately for all races' frigates before you branch out. If you follow this route, put extra emphasis on training general support skills (engineering, electronics, and mechanics groups) which translate across all races' ships of all sizes.

You can train frigate III and all the base weapon skills to III in just a couple weeks (you'll need to train gunnery and missile launcher operation to IV to get access to a couple skills). That will give you a good enough foundation that you can properly evaluate the various races.

Trying to cross-train more than one race continually past frigates, however, is likely to lead to frustration. Use the frigates to figure out what you like, then specialize. If you try to "catch up" to 35 activities in parallel, you'll end up not catching any of them for a year or more. Don't do that, pick one and specialize. Then when that one starts to pan out, pick another and specialize.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#8 - 2012-06-21 22:11:45 UTC
To answer the question: Yes. You most definitely will want to be able to access several race's ships.

My general advice: As a new player, pick a race, get cruisers to 4, BCs to 3, and the medium weapon system core skill to 4 (so, in the case of Gallente: medium hybrid turrets IV). Then bump up your racial secondary weapon to its full usefulness (Gallente: Drones V, scout drone operation III or so) and the supporting skills for both primary and secondary weapon systems to III or IV.

At this point, you have basic functionality for your first race. At this point, you have a choice based on how much you enjoy this particular race:

(1) "Hey, this race is hours of quality entertainment":
(a) Get your weapon system skills up to T2, start speccing T2 small/medium ships.
(b) Grab the Battleship skills for your race and go forth to smite them NPCs

(2) "Eh, this is kinda boring/too hard/too easy/not enough variety":
(a) Repeat the process above with another race. Each new race you expand into will be faster due to shared weapon systems and secondary skills.
(b) Consider a more specific role that allows you to do things that aren't necessarily anchored to race-- exploration, manufacturing, etc. Give those a go.

So... there it is, generally speaking. Note that I've left some stuff out since this post focuses on racial specs specifically-- basic fitting skills, social skills, fleet skills, finding a corp, etc should all be matters of moderate to high priority over the first few months as well. This is just a general rubric for how you should handle the racial ship lines themselves, i.e. how far you should take the specialization before you think about branching.
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#9 - 2012-06-22 01:08:12 UTC
i think the place that really starts to involve serious time investment is multiracial battleship training. just playing with different races frigates and even cruisers isn't a massive time sink, but if you are trying to get into lvl 4 or 5 missions you'll probably want to stick to one race for now. also about the battleship training, i'd look at the different races battleships and decide which of those you like, and work towards that. battlecruisers and destroyers are skills shared among the races with only the racial frigates and cruisers being the roadblocks.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#10 - 2012-06-22 09:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
Good points all, I appreciate everyone help. This is the first game that I have played (and I played many) where people are newb friendly.

As Breezly suggested and I was thinking the same, is that I can skill up on minmatar Frigate real quick and fly a rifter around picking up my piddly stuff just incase I find someone who doesn’t like me. I only lose a day and I think everyone has good points about waiting until I have techII skills before I play around.


I am kind of liking the Amarr ships more because they have lasers (and can use them without drying up their capacitor (I learned that the hard way 20Mil ISK later), and I really hate reloading my rails :) too lazy.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#11 - 2012-06-22 11:06:38 UTC
This game is a sandbox and it's all about choices, your choices. If you're a min-max type of player then it's logical to cherry pick the best type/race ships for a specific purpose. If you like one race for whatever reason or (as in my case) doing some light RP by accepting the "challenge" of staying single race then so be it. It does make sense to crosstrain but I wouldn't do it early on.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#12 - 2012-06-22 16:22:21 UTC
I would change characters to Amarr but already skilled pretty well and don't want to redo all that work.

Its just gallente ships are just so ugly Smile the very first frigate I flown looked like a pregnant guppy.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-22 17:07:06 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
I would change characters to Amarr but already skilled pretty well and don't want to redo all that work.

Its just gallente ships are just so ugly Smile the very first frigate I flown looked like a pregnant guppy.


Why change your character to Amarr, you can just train Amarr ships. Nobody really gives a Shite about space barbies (okay, maybe roleplayers do), EVE is about spaceships.

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Ano Regni
YOKELS
#14 - 2012-06-22 17:43:46 UTC
yes, that is what I am saying, sorry. I don't want to change but rather skill up on other race ships.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets