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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2012-06-21 18:42:25 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

googledocs :colbert:

Apologies. I thought Microsoft Excel came out before Google Docs did. Anyways, down with rectangles with numbers in them!!
Kitty Vintner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#282 - 2012-06-21 18:42:30 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
CCP should correct this by undoing this whole scam and blatant abuse.


CCP Sreegs is on the right track.

Hey didn't I see you in that drake gang going through 319 last night.

Sorry about killing your only scout and tackle frig, man.
Boris Lachenkov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#283 - 2012-06-21 18:43:11 UTC
1. Players consider way to use in game mechanics to recieve ISKies for their toonies.
2. They figure out formulas for the ISK value of items and their respective LP costs.
3. Players use market manipulation (Something continually done in Jita and beyond) to inflate items.
4. Make a ton of ISK through use of in game mechanics vetted by Dev team.
5. Suddenly an exploit.
6. People cry.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#284 - 2012-06-21 18:43:32 UTC
does this mean jade will get neg-walleted/banned too??
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2012-06-21 18:44:32 UTC
i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago.
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#286 - 2012-06-21 18:44:54 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

googledocs :colbert:

Apologies. I thought Microsoft Excel came out before Google Docs did. Anyways, down with rectangles with numbers in them!!

It's alright man. You were just behind the times. You can't publish excel spreadsheets as easily as googledocs spreadsheets. That's why no one uses excel anymore.

Courthouse: A helpful goon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#287 - 2012-06-21 18:45:19 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.

Again.

And CCP lets them stay.

And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.

Absolutely disgusting.

Consider me unsubbed.

Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.

He bought a 10 year sub and has to wait for it to run out. Lol

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#288 - 2012-06-21 18:46:48 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Roxwar wrote:
After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly.

Based on it costing £22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx £7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. Shocked or approx 11.6 million dollars .


However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game.

I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO.


do you work for ccp's economy department?



i know i know, i fixted it already!! Lol
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#289 - 2012-06-21 18:46:56 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
It's alright man. You were just behind the times. You can't publish excel spreadsheets as easily as googledocs spreadsheets. That's why no one uses excel anymore.

Courthouse: A helpful goon


On the other hand, it's harder to accidentally tweet about an excel spreadsheet.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#290 - 2012-06-21 18:49:21 UTC
I salute you! Brilliant deed, brilliant read :D
Montolio
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#291 - 2012-06-21 18:49:49 UTC
Disgraceful! Unsubbed.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#292 - 2012-06-21 18:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago.



Well hardly. Seeing as how the tweet in question was directed at CCP through Punkuris in the early hours of Wed Morning and I (like many other Minmatar Militia pilots) made our cash out on Sat the weekend before.

Stil, IF - there was some super harsh rollback on this stuff you could argue that ALL militia store cashouts should be reverted and if that happens I'd lose my lovely fleet stabber blueprint collection, my fleet tempest bpcs, and a bunch of minmatar starship engineeering datacores that are sat in Dal.

Lord knows how they'd do that though - would be one of the biggest rollbacks since the Exodus fleet fight fiasco.

Still your logic fails "Blawrf" on the fact I made my money before I found the tweet :)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#293 - 2012-06-21 18:50:20 UTC
Montolio wrote:
Disgraceful! Unsubbed.

Can I have your stuff?
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#294 - 2012-06-21 18:51:52 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago.



Well hardly. Seeing as how the tweet in question was directed at CCP through Punkuris in the early hours of Wed Morning and I (like many other Minmatar Militia pilots) made our cash out on Sat the weekend before.

Stil, IF - there was some super harsh rollback on this stuff you could argue that ALL militia store cashouts should be reverted and if that happens I'd lose my lovely fleet stabber blueprint collection, my fleet tempest bpcs, and a bunch of minmatar starship engineeering datacores that are sat in Dal.

Lord knows how they'd do that though - would be one of the biggest rollbacks since the Exodus fleet fight fiasco.

Still your logic fails "Blawrf" on the fact I made my money before I found the tweet :)


i'm sure sreegs will decide himself "Jade" :-)
Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#295 - 2012-06-21 18:53:18 UTC
I hate to say this, but I feel really stupid. Never in a million years would I have figured out something like this. Obviously, not all men are created equally (and I use men loosely because most of you grown ups still act like children).

My personal feeling regardless is, any gains made in this fashion should be confiscated. I don't think I care about bans, but the gains be taken away. I'm not a market guru what so ever, and even though someone said in here that the market would return to normal in 30 days, the whole system was manipulated, and this hurts innocent bystanders, whom will never get their ISK back.

It's stuff like this that also has just made me not enjoy playing EVE too much. Log in check toon, say hi, change skill, log. That's my routine. Hoping that someday things will get to a better state where I feel the time I invest in sitting in front of my computer will be rewarding. Until then...
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#296 - 2012-06-21 18:53:54 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Derus Grobb wrote:
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.


We'd argue no. It was all within game mechanics - no ferrogel dupes. But as always, the final verdict is in CCP's hands. And to be fair, we are obviously biased.


Just because you're biased doesn't mean your wrong.

Lots of parents naturally think their kids are exceptional , that bias, but, some of them are in fact exceptional.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#297 - 2012-06-21 18:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.

Again.

And CCP lets them stay.

And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.

Absolutely disgusting.

Consider me unsubbed.

Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.

He bought a 10 year sub and has to wait for it to run out. Lol


Hmmm
With all the ISK that goonies have made could they say they quit as well and keep playing for then next 10 years.
Oh wait can you chain in multiple plex's and how many can you do ?
Hmm makes you wonder.

9000 members * 12 months * 10 Years = 1,080,000 Plex's

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#298 - 2012-06-21 18:55:08 UTC
abitrubbish wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.

Again.

And CCP lets them stay.

And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.

Absolutely disgusting.

Consider me unsubbed.



Can't believe it took so many pages.

Oh, bye.



It has nothing to do with pages in a thread, it has to do with CCP's inability to manage their company.

Eventually there will be either no goons, or no server. SInce the game is free, my toons will be here as long as yours, if not longer.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#299 - 2012-06-21 18:55:11 UTC
Well if CCP takes all your hard earned ISK away, then I don't really have much to say other than "well, ****."

If they don't, however, I'm simply in this thread to say that I wish I had thought of it first.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#300 - 2012-06-21 18:55:18 UTC
Cool story.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"