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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#241 - 2012-06-21 18:23:40 UTC
Xeross155 wrote:
LoveFromAbove wrote:
the goon alliance panel at next years fanfest is going to be p. good i think

Depends on how shitfaced Mittens gets

Think DNS Black is gonna get him liquored up again? Cool

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-06-21 18:23:43 UTC
Xeross155 wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?


CCP messed up new FW mechanics, Goons exploited for trillions if not quadrillions of profit ISK. And billions of LP


Really CCP decided it was an exploit ?
DId you report yourselves LolLolLol

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#243 - 2012-06-21 18:23:44 UTC
OH MAN!

That was brilliant.. seriously Brilliant.

While I seriously hope that this has now been fixed up properly, and that at least -some- of the damage will be repaired, isk destroyed etc.. I feel totally compelled to congratulate you guys on a plan well thought out and executed.

Goons have now officially won Eve. :)

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#244 - 2012-06-21 18:23:51 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly.

Based on it costing £22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx £7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. Shocked or approx 11.6 million dollars .


However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game.

I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO.

you dropped a decimal point in there, i think you did 22 pounds per million not billion

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2012-06-21 18:24:06 UTC
A tip of the hat to the Goons on this one. They have done the heavy lifting, they have done the homework, they used the system.

As I said a long time ago in some other place: it's not up to the player to decide something is an exploit or not. The designers make the game, they ought to know what they're doing.

An analysis was run, a strategy was devised, the system was used the way it was designed. It is not the player's fault the design is broken.

It's actually a backhanded compliment to the game that it attracts people who have the intellectual capacity to find a flaw in all the myriad permutations the game allows for and then set up a system to use that flaw for best effect. -And- have the intelligence to assume that a particular value is a 32-bit value to prevent it from going negative [that would have been funny :-)].

One more reason to love this crazy sandbox. This is where it's at. Here is where the light shines bright.

Kudos to you, guys!
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#246 - 2012-06-21 18:24:20 UTC
can we get a tldr hopefully one with out semitic slurs?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-06-21 18:24:32 UTC
Oh, and while to a certain extent this would've been awesome, it'll probably check out in CCP's books.
Bans are unlikely, but you'll get everything reversed.
And possibly even the LPs you'd legitimately should have.
(Seriously, at CCP no one thought about market manipulation? should've been goddamn obvious)
Xenuria
#248 - 2012-06-21 18:25:31 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Holy ****.. Vile rat!

You actually logged in long enough to post something.

Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion.

OH well...

I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that.
It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE.

CSM 12 Candidate
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#249 - 2012-06-21 18:26:22 UTC
Cant post fast enough...

I ♥ the orthrus
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2012-06-21 18:26:48 UTC
lol, very interesting read. i wonder if ccp will continue to nerf lvl 4/5 missions after reading this......i think we all know the answer, yes they will. Roll
Zephyr Crystal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2012-06-21 18:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephyr Crystal
you guys should invest some of that money in building up your public image, for example donating some to me. I would totally post "Goons are awesome!" after that
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#252 - 2012-06-21 18:27:47 UTC
AureoBroker wrote:
Oh, and while to a certain extent this would've been awesome, it'll probably check out in CCP's books.
Bans are unlikely, but you'll get everything reversed.
And possibly even the LPs you'd legitimately should have.
(Seriously, at CCP no one thought about market manipulation? should've been goddamn obvious)

If they reverse the transactions, they break the sandbox for alot of people. Most of the Minmatar militia who had no idea what was happening, for a start.

And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#253 - 2012-06-21 18:28:47 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Holy ****.. Vile rat!

You actually logged in long enough to post something.

Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion.

OH well...

I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that.
It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE.

Shoulda gone for the Gallente/Caldari fight.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Aja Jinn
Doomheim
#254 - 2012-06-21 18:29:35 UTC

So, What are you goons going to do with all the trillions of EVE Online space bucks?
Will you be wearing special custom made space clothes? Titans for everyone?
Gold plated rifters? How will we Know your specialness?
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#255 - 2012-06-21 18:29:49 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Holy ****.. Vile rat!

You actually logged in long enough to post something.

Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion.

OH well...

I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that.
It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE.

mercury rising kid drive by post
Dave Stark
#256 - 2012-06-21 18:29:49 UTC
corestwo wrote:
We'd argue that there was no exploit (unlike things in the past like the Ferrogel dupe), merely an intended mechanic stretched to a legitimate extreme, but we're clearly biased.


i'd argue the same thing, seems pretty much all developers do this when they let some thing slip through the net. instead of just saying "yeah we missed it, bravo for noticing and making the best of it" they go on a some kind of crusade fueled by their own embarrassment, it happened to blizzard activision with their latest major content patch.
AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
#257 - 2012-06-21 18:30:26 UTC
When I grow up I will be goons they are my heroes
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#258 - 2012-06-21 18:30:36 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
Quote:

I would strongly suggest, that if you want to hit T5 again. You do it before Amarr grind down the fortress. You guys are still benefiting a great deal from our work. Once they grind down all your 5'ed systems, it's probably game over for you

Confirming this. If nothing else change, minmatar will hold 56 systems after tomorrow's DT, which, once upgraded, will get them just enough to get in T5, maybe one last time before amarr starts ******* them up.


This assumes that "Goon manipulation" is the reason we've held 56 systems in the first place. Lol All the Goons are claiming to do is to have propped up the WZ control level with their invested LP. That doesnt mean that the Amarr are necessarily going to suddenly surge forward now that our "backers" are gone. They lost all their space long before this manipulation ever took place. It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. If Goons were claiming to have rolled hundreds of plexing alts into the militia to grind system captures, that would be a different case entirely, but they're not.

Also, the end of manipulation of the WZ control doesn't make Tier 5 a suddenly impossible achievement. It takes several million LP to invest every one of 56 systems to level V, this is easily earned by a handful of individual pilots investing an afternoon's worth of work. In other words, Goons are *not* the only ones capable of a coordinated pooling of LP upgrades by any means.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#259 - 2012-06-21 18:31:16 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
And if they only target Goons, then they have to deal with the PR nightmare of looking like they have a vendetta against a group of players.


Naa, we're used to it. Sreegs has been ******* us since long before he was Sreegs.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2012-06-21 18:32:03 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Holy ****.. Vile rat!

You actually logged in long enough to post something.

Also kudos, it's not often you goons impress me but when you do it's something like this. You guys did get a head start on this and your involvement pretty much prevented me from taking any meaningful advantage of what my team and I had gleaned in a similar fashion.

OH well...

I recommend you guys spend some time on diablo 3 real money auction house. I am making ridiculous cash with that.
It's not to late to make some quick easy cash before gold becomes a purchasable commodity and then the price of everything plummets. Un-ironically, the majority of people working with me on this are from EVE.


Some of us already are. Not my cup of tea though. I believe adanthar has made 4 figures already.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.