These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

First post First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#221 - 2012-06-21 18:07:01 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I read their document a couple of nights ago

You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh?

I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago.


Lots of us made billions, regardless of whether we knew about the manipulation or not. Roll

Every Minmatar that had saved up their millions of LP cashed out gloriously, albeit not on the scale of the manipulators. 8.7 billion is completely feasible given the opportunity that opened up.

BTW, thanks for releasing the info and removing the artificial prop-up. You wouldn't believe how I excited I am that the Amarr have less to complain about now, this severely cuts into the "Boo-hoo minnies are steamrolling us the system is so unfair". I'd much rather have the warzone control based on the fighting merit of the two militias.

If Tier 5 is indeed much more difficult to obtain, even with all the systems held by the Minmatar militia, we'll know here pretty soon, and it will mean the system is much less conducive to "snowballing" as the "losing" factions have complained about. If we are able to hit Tier 5 again, than it nukes the 3p33n claim that we only could ever achieve Tier 5 with Goon support. Either way its a win-win.

You just made my life a lot easier - maybe not that of my militia, of course, but for me personally who's job it is to monitor the state of the warzone and assess the functionality and balance of the mechanics. You've cut through the noise quite a bit by allowing the war to just play itself out, without the skewed manipulation effort.

This also means the Amarr are more likely to invest in actually winning their own war, instead of simply throwing alts into the Minnie militia to sip at our juice-fountain, if the days of the Tier 5 spike have come to a close for a while. Nicely done.


So you pretty much still call out the Amarr FW side as being whiners even though any complaints about the state of the Amarr/Min FW side have been completely been completely vndicated and any cries about the system being unfair were fully justified. The fact that you weren't able to get past your own Militia's smug and self-congratulation to take a look into things further just shows how bad you are at monitoring the state of the warzone if the disparity in Tiers and upgrades didn't raise more red flags to you on their own.

If you were able to look at things objectively rather than continually drink your militia's kool-aid you would have realized there was some validity into the Amarr's claims that there was something broken, but instead you chose to label them as whiners and even after this has come out, you're still labeling them as complainers. There wouldn't have been so many alts sipping on the "[your] juice fountain" if the system was working as it should, yet your smug still acts like Tier 5 was the result of the Minmatar's work and the fact that there was no reason not to have a Minmatar LP farming alt was the work of Amarr being disorganized and NOT that there was something horribly broken with the system.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Josef Stylin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2012-06-21 18:08:34 UTC
goddamit goons, I want to hate you, I really do, but after reading this, I just can't Roll
Rembraan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#223 - 2012-06-21 18:09:58 UTC
This explains quite a lot. Big smile
Shefus
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2012-06-21 18:10:46 UTC
>implying people care about LP
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#225 - 2012-06-21 18:11:51 UTC
Shefus wrote:
>implying people care about LP

5 trillion isk cares about LP.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#226 - 2012-06-21 18:12:28 UTC
Josef Stylin wrote:
goddamit goons, I want to hate you, I really do, but after reading this, I just can't Roll

Don't sweat it. When we come after tengus next you'll have reason enough to hate us again.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#227 - 2012-06-21 18:14:30 UTC
You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#228 - 2012-06-21 18:15:10 UTC
This is classic - how quickly CCP was boasting about the changes to Factional Warfare and the destruction of it by the Goons. After reading the opening threads, I can see CCP babbling "Abababababa..." with Goons following up with "Porkchop sandwiches!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1BDM1oBRJ8
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#229 - 2012-06-21 18:15:34 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
You guys need to leave Goons alone! The real enemy is Microsoft Excel spreadsheets. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

googledocs :colbert:
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#230 - 2012-06-21 18:16:37 UTC
i was goddamn sure this would happen in a blink.
I'm more amazed at no rampant members breaking the cartel and groundflooring the LP price.
Hat's off.
(Gotta say, those SomethingAwful forums you come off are quite good, been lurking D&D/A&T for a week and have plenty to lurk, may even register at some point)
The Crushah
Yarrtards With Epeen
#231 - 2012-06-21 18:16:57 UTC
Ya know, some damn clever people play this game. After 9 years, I still dont think CCP realizes this.
LoveFromAbove
State War Academy
Caldari State
#232 - 2012-06-21 18:18:48 UTC
That PHD economics dude is going to have the mother of all migraines when he sits through and looks at all of this
Derus Grobb
Shifting Suns Industries
DammFam
#233 - 2012-06-21 18:19:03 UTC
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#234 - 2012-06-21 18:19:15 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




Jade, lying is against the TOS. You're not good enough to have spies in the group that did this.[/quote]

If lying was against the TOS then anyone and everyone involved in spying/meta gaming etc would be banned along with all the scammers in jita/jita local...

Maggie Maggie wrote:

Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k?


dont bait Sreegs.
LoveFromAbove
State War Academy
Caldari State
#235 - 2012-06-21 18:20:00 UTC
the goon alliance panel at next years fanfest is going to be p. good i think
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#236 - 2012-06-21 18:20:22 UTC
Derus Grobb wrote:
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.

It's a grey area. They took intended game mechanics to absurd levels.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#237 - 2012-06-21 18:20:36 UTC
Derus Grobb wrote:
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.


We'd argue no. It was all within game mechanics - no ferrogel dupes. But as always, the final verdict is in CCP's hands. And to be fair, we are obviously biased.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#238 - 2012-06-21 18:20:40 UTC
Derus Grobb wrote:
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.

Its exploiting mechanics, not a bug, which is actually pretty much legit in EVE.

If it was ruled as a bug, then there is likely to be some backlash, but it really wasn't a bug, just a an equation that didn't take into account the amount of resources certain organizations can pour into it.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2012-06-21 18:21:02 UTC
LoveFromAbove wrote:
the goon alliance panel at next years fanfest is going to be p. good i think

Depends on how shitfaced Mittens gets
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#240 - 2012-06-21 18:22:49 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Derus Grobb wrote:
Is this an exploit? It doesn't seem like the game should work this way.

It's a grey area. They took intended game mechanics to absurd levels.


Anything worth doing is worth doing five trillion times.