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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#201 - 2012-06-21 17:55:59 UTC
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2012-06-21 17:56:27 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust.


So this is the new forum meme? First It was GoonCP, now it's "Goons admitted everything after being caught?"

Did you not read the part where we told CCP about the imbalance in the change they made to the market?
Rek Esket
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2012-06-21 17:57:01 UTC
Crest Cutty wrote:
[...] and as much as I hate goonies they just outplayed you AT YOUR OWN GAME!!!


If you've been playing EVE for long, you'd realize that this is actually a fairly frequent occurrence.
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#204 - 2012-06-21 17:57:02 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?



Gotcha moniez.
abitrubbish
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#205 - 2012-06-21 17:57:08 UTC
Crest Cutty wrote:
...I can't just go up to my client and say "dang, I'm sorry I didn't properly word that provision to protect your overseas intellectual property and now you're out a couple million. Sorry, my bad." No, I'd get sued and lose my job...


You realise that this is only a game?

+rep for having such a high flying job
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2012-06-21 17:57:09 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?


CCP messed up new FW mechanics, Goons exploited for trillions if not quadrillions of profit ISK. And billions of LP
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#207 - 2012-06-21 17:57:09 UTC
Crest Cutty wrote:
I hope who ever QC'd the release and the mechanics that were subsequently manipulated loses their job. This is a screw-up on a scale that is beyond belief.

I can't just go up to my client and say "dang, I'm sorry I didn't properly word that provision to protect your overseas intellectual property and now you're out a couple million. Sorry, my bad." No, I'd get sued and lose my job.

And you can't just take back the isk or make it disappear. It is complete bs and goes against every that made eve, well EVE. You screwed the pooch royally on this one, and as much as I hate goonies they just outplayed you AT YOUR OWN GAME!!!

Rage rage rage, rage rage, rage rage rage! Rage rage, tears, rage? RAGE!!!!!!

Problem is, its wasn't really bad unless you calculated in goons pouring their resources into it.

Planning around the massive resources they can direct would kinda destroy anyone elses ability to do smaller scale market manipulation(and market manipulation has ALWAYS been kosher in this game)

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#208 - 2012-06-21 17:57:20 UTC
Many people didn't understood yet how good Goons can be to make things change, and change for the better for everyone.

I hate you and I love you bunch of space ships lovers. Lol

brb
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#209 - 2012-06-21 17:57:24 UTC
Cool story bros...
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#210 - 2012-06-21 17:57:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
seriously i was leakhunting with the timeline jade gave us and then someone linked the twitter and I've been nearly crying with laughter at work for like fifteen minutes


Well I did say I just "knew about it" I wasn't making a great claim for having elite spais in your dirty tricks division!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#211 - 2012-06-21 17:58:12 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?



Boiler Room

So close...
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2012-06-21 17:58:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:


Well I guess the good thing for you guys is it did at least look like you were trying to report the issue before it went nuts.

http://www.mordante.aquiss.com/BreakFW.jpg


I had actually reported the issue to CCP in it's first form 2 weeks ago. They have known to some degree what we have been doing for quite some time. I assume the first hotfix to cargo drops were a part of that.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#213 - 2012-06-21 17:58:48 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
You know, if Jade does have sources in GSF leadership it would explain why he stated he knew for a fact GSF leadership were afraid of a foreverwar :V

No source in GSF leadership. Aryth merely does not know how to use Twitter.

I'm undecided on which version is actually funnier, though.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Raketefrau
ConHugeCo
#214 - 2012-06-21 17:59:05 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


IMHO that would be an incredibly lame thing to do. I'm not happy that some people have gazillions of ill-gotten isk, but they were entirely playing the game within your intended scheme, just not in a way you had envisioned.

Reverting those funds is crossing a line. It's shitting in the sandbox.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#215 - 2012-06-21 17:59:09 UTC
So CCP majorly fekked up once again.
All CCP has to do is create 2 expansions a year and you are still unable to deliver anything properly.

The new inventory: "we thought it was ready".
FW, no one at CCP even tried to break the system, knowing that the players will do just that, "nooo said CCP, we thought it was ready".

Just stop CCP.
Just tend to bug fixing and don't add anything new, since it's becoming evident you are not able to do so without releasing mayor bugs and loop holes.

As a fan I can only say I'm deeply disappointed.

I'm not pro or against Goons in any way but to the Goons, job well done, once again.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#216 - 2012-06-21 17:59:29 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?



5 trillion isk.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-06-21 18:00:47 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?



5 trillion isk.

Only 5 trillion?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2012-06-21 18:01:34 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Too long to bother to read, anyone want to give me a one paragraph answer about what this one is supposed to be about ?



5 trillion isk.


Only 5 trillion? Christ, I thought this was a lot of money or something, that's pocket change.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#219 - 2012-06-21 18:02:04 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


Well I guess the good thing for you guys is it did at least look like you were trying to report the issue before it went nuts.

http://www.mordante.aquiss.com/BreakFW.jpg


I had actually reported the issue to CCP in it's first form 2 weeks ago. They have known to some degree what we have been doing for quite some time. I assume the first hotfix to cargo drops were a part of that.



Well regardless of what CCP decide in the end (even if they take all the isk back) it was a clever plan and congrats to you guys for keeping it quiet so long. And if they don't take the isk back you should give it to me so I can fund the foreverwar for 1 month against the new 1.1 wardec allied escalation fees!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2012-06-21 18:04:25 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


Well I guess the good thing for you guys is it did at least look like you were trying to report the issue before it went nuts.

http://www.mordante.aquiss.com/BreakFW.jpg


I had actually reported the issue to CCP in it's first form 2 weeks ago. They have known to some degree what we have been doing for quite some time. I assume the first hotfix to cargo drops were a part of that.



Well regardless of what CCP decide in the end (even if they take all the isk back) it was a clever plan and congrats to you guys for keeping it quiet so long. And if they don't take the isk back you should give it to me so I can fund the foreverwar for 1 month against the new 1.1 wardec allied escalation fees!


Didn't I make you 8b? That is a lotta decs

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.