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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#161 - 2012-06-21 17:40:48 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust.


They never would have known had we not told them. HTH.

Also reposting

:siren:GS_ISK LEAK:siren:

(13:38:10) la_nariz: The jewbal bankrolling a burn jita month?
(13:38:19) treyan_argund: :aaaaa:
(13:38:22) treyan_argund: YES PLEASE
(13:38:26) endercapitalg: :stare:
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#162 - 2012-06-21 17:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia
Skye Aurorae wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.


Your argument fails right here, this whole scheme removed ISK from the economy.

(I suppose you think getting you ship blown up is an ISK sink)


injection was the wrong term to use. Hardly approaches impacting the rest of my argument. In fact, it further supports it.

Assets were burned to do this. Assets that could have been used much more productively.

Not that 'for the lulz' isn't a pretty good use, but I like money.

edit (I suppose you think herfblurf)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#163 - 2012-06-21 17:41:07 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.

I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it.


https://twitter.com/EVEAryth/status/215233678631116801

any comments?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#164 - 2012-06-21 17:41:09 UTC
Igner Greyhound wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to break the sandbox, because we can."

Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that just like the people profiting most have asked."


ftfy

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Frocke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2012-06-21 17:41:15 UTC
Aww you have more numbers than me!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#166 - 2012-06-21 17:42:01 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Got bored of e-peen stroking after reading "super spreadsheet". Tl;dr.
Welcome to EVE. Spreadsheet e-peen = best e-peen.
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-06-21 17:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
we found jade's spy guys

give me digi's job


No no, you keep doing your job. You're quite good at it. On the whole, you probably generate just as many tears as the *snip* they're just more spread out.

Edit: Bad word, fixed it for you!

ISD Dosnix
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-06-21 17:42:12 UTC
the Y-2ANO of Market PVP
Captain Pitts
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-06-21 17:42:26 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE&t=27m9s

Shelley09
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2012-06-21 17:42:30 UTC
lol you tards, that incredibly lengthy explanation simply describes what fw been doing with fw started, lol, the only difference is less/more lp cost and more lp available, , and yes we did know you guys were upgrading system from get go, general malita guys don't exactly involve them selves with that type of stuff and thus oblivious, and please keep doing it, we're getting rich to :D, not our problem is ammar are seriously out gunned and continue to be blobbed.

-shelley09 , the guy who states the obvious
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2012-06-21 17:42:46 UTC
You, you... you,

you,

GoonsX
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#172 - 2012-06-21 17:42:59 UTC
Igner Greyhound wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to reverse some of the damage, because we can."

Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that next."



If we find the scope of the situation requires remediation then yes that would be something like the statement I would make. :)

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#173 - 2012-06-21 17:42:59 UTC
Maggie Maggie wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
we found jade's spy guys

give me digi's job


No no, you keep doing your job. You're quite good at it. On the whole, you probably generate just as many tears as the jewbal, they're just more spread out.


http://i.imgur.com/RGRWh.png
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#174 - 2012-06-21 17:43:39 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.

All the isk pulled in was from player's hands.

I'd half love to see an attempted reversion on this What?

I'm not even sure there's a way, all the transactions were legit at the time of doing them. Are CCP really planning on giving people ISK back less the value of the manipulated items? What if they got those blown up, and got LP from it?

It's far too entangled, and just negging 300tril from wallets would be insanity as well.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-06-21 17:44:14 UTC
To clear up a few misconceptions.

The LP isn't free. just heavily discounted. You still remove ISK from EVE doing this. Quite a LOT of ISK.

Most of the items have very large ISK costs in addition to LP, hundreds of billions of real ISK was removed from the system doing this.
Total windfall is in the neighborhood of 5T. Five individuals. The majority of that being me.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-06-21 17:45:02 UTC
They should have sent a poet.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#177 - 2012-06-21 17:45:04 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.

I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it.


https://twitter.com/EVEAryth/status/215233678631116801

any comments?

...it was aryth

aryth tweeted the secret documents

oh god this is even funnier than the lp

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#178 - 2012-06-21 17:46:24 UTC
You know, if Jade does have sources in GSF leadership it would explain why he stated he knew for a fact GSF leadership were afraid of a foreverwar :V

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2012-06-21 17:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Roxwar
After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly.

Based on it costing £22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx £110,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's.

However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game.

I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO.


*edit.

Yeah i suck at maths, which is why i didnt think up this brilliant scheme.

Still $165000 is still impressive.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#180 - 2012-06-21 17:46:50 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


LOL


Tal Lol