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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2012-06-21 17:30:23 UTC
No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.

All the isk pulled in was from player's hands.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#122 - 2012-06-21 17:30:35 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Goonfleet obviously knows nothing about high sec or factional warfare. I demand CCP publicly acknowledge this with the quick hot fix they released today.

Edit: Yes, I intend to spend my 100b on civilian fit Dramiels, as they are the height of conspicuous consumption.



Speaking as someone who did Angel missions in June, I approve of this Pirate

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2012-06-21 17:30:41 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.



Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute. Big smile
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#124 - 2012-06-21 17:30:42 UTC
This is just hilarious keep it up goons. Stay Classy ( Go die ).
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#125 - 2012-06-21 17:30:52 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I read their document a couple of nights ago

You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh?

I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago.


why are you goons incapable of understand that a couple = two
whereas few and several tends to mean 3+


There really is an xkcd for everything http://xkcd.com/1070/
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-06-21 17:30:53 UTC
(6:30:42 PM) aryth: i am jade
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#127 - 2012-06-21 17:30:57 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.



Fair enough, thanks for the response.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#128 - 2012-06-21 17:31:09 UTC
Maggie Maggie wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k?


They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains. Twisted

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
LoveFromAbove
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-06-21 17:31:16 UTC
on the plus side EVE's going to make all the gaming news sites again
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#130 - 2012-06-21 17:31:57 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.

That would make you a terrible villain. Don't you know the rules? You HAVE to gloat.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#131 - 2012-06-21 17:32:07 UTC
Treyan Argund wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.



Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute. Big smile


That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-06-21 17:32:38 UTC
If it wasn't against the rules now, this would've triggered millions of goon "CCP ANTI-GOON CONSPIRACY" threads.

Dodixie > Hek
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#133 - 2012-06-21 17:33:16 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Maggie Maggie wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k?


They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains. Twisted



See I'd actually vote for you again if you ran for the next CSM with that campaign pledge!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-06-21 17:33:17 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.



The CCP position is pretty clear. They have to protect the sandbox to some degree. However, we were careful to limit the scope of this. Profit yes, gamebreaking no. In theory we could have generated 10's of billions of LP. That would have had long term consequences CCP could not have ignored. I feel good that when they dive into the details, they will see it's not horrible enough to mess with, and it the market will correct within 30 days or so.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#135 - 2012-06-21 17:33:17 UTC
LoveFromAbove wrote:
on the plus side EVE's going to make all the gaming news sites again


There's always a tarnished silver lining in everything.
fab24
Tax Fraud The Return Corporation
#136 - 2012-06-21 17:33:36 UTC
So what's all this crap even for?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#137 - 2012-06-21 17:33:37 UTC
Mikelii wrote:
Darius Johnson for CEO.

Never not ******* goons.



I genuinely ell oh elled at this because come on, the whole thing is pretty ******* funny

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#138 - 2012-06-21 17:34:23 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:

By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.

A bit less smug?

They made trillions of ISK by manipulating the system and the game developers had to wade into the sandbox just to fix the situation. Wouldn't that make them *more* smug?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#139 - 2012-06-21 17:34:34 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

Nope.


I'm afraid to say you know nothing.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#140 - 2012-06-21 17:34:37 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Treyan Argund wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.



Document was posted on GF.com literally an hour ago. Please damage control some more, it's cute. Big smile


That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.


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