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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#101 - 2012-06-21 17:25:24 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-06-21 17:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


Good to hear.

I pat the goons on the back for figuring out how to break the game, but outside of bragging rights on 'look what I did' this seems like it was an absolutely stupid use of resources.

If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.

-Burn billions or more of assets instead of opening a bug report to point out a broken game mechanic? CHECK

-laugh at the terribad minmatar for flying around looking for pew instead of doing really cool smart stuff like violating the EULA drawing CCP's attention and ire? CHECK

-backpedal and and say 'we didn't want that isk anyways' and tell everyone how it's a jersey *ahem* goon thing and no one will understand? PENDING

how the mighty have fallen. Goons used to be so edgy and relevant, now the best they can do is gloat about post patch bugs they capitalized on for a couple weeks.

pretty fail guys Straight
think of what isk you could have made on the long term with the assets you threw at this (and CCP would have actually let you keep it)

100billion in my wallet cheating that i'll eventually lose?
Or 1billion in my wallet I got legit that i can now use to buy ships and pew?

I believe the old saying is "a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush"

oh well, one of the best lessons in life is figuring out the difference between when you can do a thing and when you should do a thing
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2012-06-21 17:25:34 UTC
This just in manipulating market prices is now an exploit. You ebil goonies.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-06-21 17:25:41 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




Jade, lying is against the TOS. You're not good enough to have spies in the group that did this.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2012-06-21 17:25:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The forever war is going to be a pale shadow of a dead thing.




No, no...that's just your alliance.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-06-21 17:26:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.

Liar, liar, pants (or in your case, skirt) on fire.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-06-21 17:27:09 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.


Its been an hour
Harataka
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2012-06-21 17:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Harataka
Jade Constantine wrote:


okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.



Try again? This is getting pretty funny.
Joan en Bauldry
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-06-21 17:27:45 UTC
So some smart people with resources gamed the system and got more resources.

Eh, nothing wrong with using your brains...and a spreadsheet.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#110 - 2012-06-21 17:28:35 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I read their document a couple of nights ago

You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh?

I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago.


why are you goons incapable of understand that a couple = two
whereas few and several tends to mean 3+

The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

And for reference ... I made my isk by cashing out my loyalty points at the minmatar store when it hit tier 5 on saturday quite legally turning my points into datacores and fleet stabbers. At that point I had no idea whatsoever about your shennagins - it was just happy coincidence.


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Mikelii
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-06-21 17:28:59 UTC
Darius Johnson for CEO.

Never not ******* goons.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-06-21 17:29:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy.

Liar, liar, pants (or in your case, skirt) on fire.


depends on what he's roleplaying as
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-06-21 17:29:05 UTC
so Jade, please tell us more about how intimately you are involved with secretive goon operations

because we'd just love to hear it :allears:
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#114 - 2012-06-21 17:29:16 UTC
I am Jack's utter lack of surprise. Lol

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-06-21 17:29:24 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


Tech moons are a design flaw. Everyone has known it for years. When you're ready to classify it as an exploit, let us know, k?
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-06-21 17:29:37 UTC
Got bored of e-peen stroking after reading "super spreadsheet". Tl;dr.

Dodixie > Hek
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#117 - 2012-06-21 17:29:51 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.


We killed the villains(pubbies) but occasionally you get struck by lightning when doing the **** yeah dance while holding a golf club.


See if you mounted the pubbies heads to the ends of the club that would have added at least some electrical resistance, put on your dancing platform sneakers and you're pretty well insulated.

So close...
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-06-21 17:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.

Was what they did actually illegal? It looks legit to me. Kudos to them.

Also, I fail to see how you could revert/fix what they did without straight up setting wallets negative (seems rather harsh) or only eliminating stock that they current hold... I assume the items they already sold wouldn't be touched.

EDIT: saw your reply to Jade, nevermind.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#119 - 2012-06-21 17:30:04 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




Jade, lying is against the TOS. You're not good enough to have spies in the group that did this.



Keep telling yourself that lol ...

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-06-21 17:30:21 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

Nope.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat