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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#81 - 2012-06-21 17:17:36 UTC
Rek Esket wrote:
Xeross155 wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.


Everything was already said and done by the time this adjustment was made.


And was only discovered because the people doing it alerted CCP of its existence and asked it to be fixed.


The fix had already been checked in prior to us being aware of the details which is why the investigation isn't complete but the manipulated values have been set back to a more reasonable number.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Dyllyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-06-21 17:18:33 UTC
Welp. Party's over.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-06-21 17:19:04 UTC
Dyllyn wrote:
Welp. Party's over.

Party's just getting started.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-06-21 17:19:10 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


damn it sreegs
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#85 - 2012-06-21 17:19:36 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#86 - 2012-06-21 17:20:38 UTC
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#87 - 2012-06-21 17:21:04 UTC
We'd argue that there was no exploit (unlike things in the past like the Ferrogel dupe), merely an intended mechanic stretched to a legitimate extreme, but we're clearly biased.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2012-06-21 17:21:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-06-21 17:22:05 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



No
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-06-21 17:22:15 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#91 - 2012-06-21 17:22:35 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Posting in a thread where goons helped me make 8.7b isk last saturday for 4 hours play.

(they really ruined my sandbox)



Enjoy FW without us propping you up. We appreciate helping lock all those people into a forever war with us. You did good work.


awww but they are all going to be gone 2 weeks after 1.1 hits and the defensive allies are nerfed. The forever war is going to be a pale shadow of a dead thing.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#92 - 2012-06-21 17:23:18 UTC
Aryndel Vyst wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are.

blammo
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-06-21 17:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Blawrf McTaggart
Aryndel Vyst wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are.


iceburn
Harataka
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2012-06-21 17:23:42 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




Sure you did.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#95 - 2012-06-21 17:23:46 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.

So close...
Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2012-06-21 17:23:48 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




Quoting for posterity, Jade Constantine literally owns a time machine
Walter Stine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-06-21 17:23:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?



jade i'm pretty sure you didn't read a document written a day ago several days ago


I believe he was referring to a psychic reading.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#98 - 2012-06-21 17:23:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-06-21 17:24:31 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
I read their document a couple of nights ago

You "read our document", eh? A few days ago, eh?

I guess that means you didn't actually make 8.7b, then, since that document was literally released 1 hour ago.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-06-21 17:25:00 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.


We killed the villains(pubbies) but occasionally you get struck by lightning when doing the **** yeah dance while holding a golf club.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them