EVE General Discussion

Sure, but the better solution would be for them to stop waffling on the whole join/quit corp mechanics and implement a proper solution (much in the same way as their waffling on the rookie protection rules should be solved through proper mechanics and… you know… having an actually clear rookie rule).

With a bit of luck, should they ever manage to make limited engagements work as part of Crimewatch 2.0, they can just make the whole problem go away: anyone can be kicked at any point, and any outstanding engagement remain active until the normal timers run out. That way, the accidental-CONCORDoken that caused them to fiddle with quitting in space will be gone, and they can restore that functionality.

I'm just saying that the rookie protection rule cannot be said to apply to PC corp members and still remain even remotely sane. There are risks with running and being in a corp — joining a corp means accepting those risks and stepping up to the personal responsibilities it brings. In fact, I'd rather say that in such a case, the real griefing is on the part of the recruiter, who exposes rookies to a completely new rule set without explaining to them what they're getting themselves into.

Your anger is misplaced, instead of being angry at the ganker you need to be angry at your CEO and yourself. You are mad at a ganker for ganking? That's what they do. Do you get mad at water for being wet or a dog for licking his balls? You need to be mad at your CEO, you saw the guy before he joined, saw something was fishy, alerted your CEO and he ignored your concerns and 'accidently' accepted the guy. Then you need to be angry at yourself, because you knew something was wrong, you saw the guy got accepted into the corp, and you did nothing to assure the safety of you and your corp mates. In Eve when something is awry and you go about business as usual you die, that is exactly what you did business as usual, dead. If it were me and I saw a greifer accidently got in my corp, I would immediately send a convo out to all legit members and tell them to dock until it's situated, or to get in PvP boats and get ready for battle (option 2 is a hell of a lot more fun). When there is a threat you can't beat you seek safety, that's common sense it shouldn't take living in nul/low to figure that out.

To be honest you sound like a small child that just lost a video game, instead of being a good sport and admitting you loss you cry and scream that your controller is broken. What you need to be doing right now is thinking "What did we do wrong and what can we do in the future to prevent something like this?", but instead you waste your time trying to think of different ways your opponent cheated to include in your petition to CCP. Some douche infiltrating your corp is not a petition-able or banable offense, that is Eve. There is a reason there is a 3-10 day waiting period to get into ANY serious corp in Eve. Background checks are mandatory, and it's pretty apparent you guys are not doing your due diligence (you bragged yourself how many members in a little time you guys got, I am skeptical they were properly checked). If anyone should be petitioned against and banned it should be the leadership of your corp for misleading new people so badly and creating an environment where it is so easy to get ganked and/or robbed by assumed friendlies.

If you don't know how to recruit for a corp, temporally stop recruiting and educate yourself. There are a lot of tools out there for recruiters, get some tips from someone who has done it.

Yes the lack of explicit rules restricts players iterations however whenever there's some rule there's always dudes to exploit each and every forgotten or non explicit word.

Why? -well this is a whole new debate, if playing some game for "x" person means search rule failures to exploit and claim "hahaha dev's I'm better than you" then I have some hard time either explaining or understand those guys motivations.
You know, looks a little bit like guys using hacks (they usually pay) for internet greatness on free to pay FPS games.

I agree with GM's when it comes to decide if yes or not at some point there must be a ban, systems and rules are mechanic and can not adapt to all situations people might come up with and the only way to make it fair for every one is still common sense and someone putting limits.

This is the kind of thing that shouldn't even be discussed or reason for so many forum words, if those self proclaimed elite pvp fans were that much pvp fans they wouldn't even have justify their actions with newbs "education" theorems completely absurd.

I have one moto in what concerns newbs and pvp: if you show your face in low you're good to taste the fire, if you show your face in null you're good to get a fast pod home ticket.
In high sec? -well, everything that isn't flying a T2 frig/cruiser or battle cruiser/battleship is a noob even then I can always look "info" to figure out what's up.
Not claiming it's the best way to do but is I start shooting everything because I can then I have to accept consequences and stfu instead of crying on forums.

or simply due to them being 4 days old, lacked the skills maybe against a older player.

Is it really that hard to create a fleet, undock, fleet warp, F1 BUTAN at the same time?

Yep, as I just said, not pretending I know better the rules or my behaviour is better whatsoever, those are my own rules and I stick to.
Does it means I miserably fail some times? -of course I do but I'm never upset about this because the impact on my game is absolutely null, even being "older" player I just took a lesson and next time I'll be on my toes.

Ignorance is not an excuse. You think CCP would allow wars with other corporations if rookies in corporations were still considered rookies? May as well chuck out factional warfare as the occasional rookie joins it and gets podded. I have killed and podded a rookie twice while I was in Privateer Alliance as he was attempting to mine in a velator. Does that make me a horrendous griefer? I considered killing him a third time but to be honest I really couldn't be bothered as my ammo was worth more than what he would drop [ I was well within my rights to kill him however].

You join a corporation you are no longer a rookie simple. Otherwise CCP should stop rookies joining corporations, which would make corporatiion alts a bit more of a hassle to handle. People who are against killing new players in all situations are just not in the EvE mindset and should really go back to WoW, as their righteous indignation over a self-created injustice is not welcome.

Corp full of newbies, run by some guy that petitions "spawn trapping, quick scoping and spamming corp chat"?

Certainly sounds like you all know how the game really is.


Sounds like my current alliance.

Maybe you should join a corporation run by someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing?


You realise you can undock in a pod and warp off, right?

Newbies moving PLEXes in their cute Merlin, huh...

your whole corp should be disbanded