Test Server Feedback

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It is now quicker for me to open corp assets through the corp tab and deliver them to myself in three clicks than try to fight my way through the derpified inventory.
but seeing as there has been 5-6 UI feedback threads of at least 40 pages each, which have been abandoned by CCP so they can push the new shiny or sort out Devswarm's wardec problem, I expect this will go nowhere yet again.

back... what was CCP thinking.


/me throws wet fish and smelly socks at ccp

+1

Well said.

Even though I like the new inventory, it not only needs to be improved but you also have to give people the option of using the old system. Just like you did with ship spinning thing.

Inferno Inventory - Best played with PS3-controller [/guess]

I find the new inventory cumbersome, and far less efficient to use than the old one. In the old system, stacked and tabbed window groups allowed for quick movement of items between hangars/containers/structures with minimal mouse movement/scrolling required. With the new inventory I seem to be forever scrolling through the tree view to find the container/ship/hangar/structure I need, then scroll again to collapse sections of the tree which are taking up too much vertical space, then scroll again to find the place where the item I want to move is located, then scroll again to find the place where the item is to be moved to. If I hover the mouse over an entry in the tree view for just a fraction of a second too long, the view shifts, and I have to scroll all over again.

A particularly annoying example is maintaining silos, where I want to drag the silo contents to my cargohold. Each time, the tree resets to the location of the now empty silo, and I have to scroll up again to the cargohold. This is not an efficient workflow. An efficient workflow for me is to have my cargohold open, and open the silo via the icon in the 'selected item' part of the overview (usually the silo is already selected as I will have used the 'approach' icon before) in its own window, so that I only need to drag between the 2, and I can see at a glance the status of both. The 'selected item' icon does not offer me the option to right-click on it and select 'open in new window'. Shift-clicking requires both the keyboard and the mouse, and I find it less efficient than being able to right-click or double-click.

Another example where POS management isn't exactly made easier is when arming POS guns. The other day I was checking the ammo status of a large deathstar. The batteries being Amarr, each gun expanded into 2 subsections. Given the number of guns on the tower, after checking about 10 guns, each remaining expanded in the tree view, considerable scrolling was required to get back to the cargohold, grab a crystal, go back and find the correct gun with the empty compartment. I found it far easier in the old system. I prefer clicking to close an extra window to endless scrolling.

I appreciate that some people find the new inventory easier to use. I find that routine tasks now require more time, and a lot more scrolling. I would very much like an option I can toggle on that would always open a new window when the 'open/access' icon in the 'selected item' part of the overview is clicked.

A further annoyance are containers inside hangars. A large number of containers will expand the treeview dramatically - again necessitating a lot of scrolling.
Furthermore, audit log secure containers located inside corp hangars seem to be somewhat temperamental. Right-clicking such a container and selecting 'open container' or double-clicking it... opens my cargohold.


Another rather annoying 'feature' arose the other day, when I was in a large carrier fleet. My carrier was configured for fleet use, and I had the inventory open as I wanted to monitor the status of my fuel bay. Whether it was due to the large number of carriers in the vicinity, or the fact that my carrier was configured for fleet use I do not know (I have not observed this phenomenon under other circumstances) , but the inventory tree kept refreshing constantly, resulting in a very irritating flashing effect. Luckily I don't suffer from seizures.

One of the most irritating aspects of the new inventory, however, is the removal of the right-click options to open the fuel bay and other bays on capitals. I don't think it's as simple as comparing the number of clicks required to accomplish the action. Previously, I would right-click on my carrier in the centre of my screen, move the mouse a short distance to find the correct option, and click. To carry out the same action now I need to right-click the carrier and select 'open cargohold' or move the mouse across the screen to open the inventory. Then I need to move the mouse across to the inventory window and expand the tree for my active ship. Then I need to select the fuel bay. All in all, a lot more mouse movement required than a simple right-click in the centre of the screen. Please restore these options to the right-click menu, or give me an option in the ESC menu to toggle 'show capital bay access options in contextual menu'. To save space in the context menu, I would happily forego the option of being able to access the captain's quarters via this menu.

These are some of the issues that make the new inventory less than pleasant for me to use, and detract from my game experience. Some added customisation options, such as being able to toggle whether I want containers/hangars/bays etc to open in a new window rather than the existing one, and restoring functionality to the contextual menu to access my capitals' bays, would go a long way towards improving my game experience.

I assume something like this.

I entirely agree with the OP, this should come back. I should not have to **** around in the inventory system to change my ship, especially now station session timers are gone.



Simply not acceptable. 'Oh you should do it this way instead' after removing functionality, is not the way to go. The right click options were far faster and far easier, as you could very quickly open a bay without all the UI clutter than the new inventory brings. It would not be hard to bring it back, and it would satisfy a lot of people.



This confirms my suspicions that the folks at CCP involved with the UI have never actually used a POS. Please, for the love of god, look at the masses of player feedback on this and then do something.

ok i attempted to imbed all the quattions but failing miserably so I will just write my response to the the dev in the order that it was and clarify the points.

Thanks for replying btw, i hardly expected that.

in any case.

on point #2.

ships and items used to be 2 separate buttons, you clicked whichever one you needed. Now you click the inventory button, which will open to the last thing you had open prior. So if you had a ship cargohold open you once again have that same cargohold open. Howver that is NOT what i want...it i wanted that I would just double click. I want to open my ships...with ONE click, not search throw the tree to find where the little narrow line that says ship hangar is...or even more tedious a specific ship. This might not be a pain when you have 10-15 ships...but at any given time unless i'm deployed there is a good chance there is 50 ships in my hangar.

So if i left my ship tree expanded that is 50 entries that I have to deal with. In any case even if it's not expanded I still have to figure out where the ships are.



on point #3
The right click options. Over the past however many years we have all played...everything was accessible through right click options...while this might not be the best or the only way to do it, we all got used to doing it that way. If you don't know where to find something...right click. Checking my fuel bay was a simple matter of right click capacitor open fuel bay...done. If it's enough it's enough, if it's not, then right click open corp hangar, which opened in a NEW window. That new window had 7 tabs in it, They were separate and easy to navigate. You clicked to the right tab and dragged fuel from that one to fuel bay...done. It was 2 LARGE windows. Now i have to right click open corp hangar. Figure out which small little tab to click and then drag it to another small little tab. Or of course i can shift click to open a new window. While this is no more than it used to be...i count double click as a single click and shift click as 2 clicks. So honestly i have to aim to get something where i want it to be, while not saving any clicks.

Also I'm sitting in a pos doing this...why do I need to see what's in my pos corp hangar while moving fuel from my carrier corp hangar to my carrier fuel bay...things outside my carrier at this very specific moment are not of any use to me...but they are clogging up my inventory.

on point #4 #5
Let me address the shift click and why it's annoying. When you used to open a can, it would open with just a double click. Now you have to shift double click...so we effectively went from 2 clicks to 3. And let me tell you..when you are doing something else, like talking on comms, or w/e that requires some other button being pressed...having to press shift is cumbersome and annoying. Have you ever run a program using shift double click? NO! it's double click..done...i can get used to this...yes i can..but it's extra clicks that no one needs.

As for the redundancy and cumbersomeness. I keep my items in cans...they are High, Mid, Low, faction and a couple other ones. I only have 7 cans in my inventory at most...I've seen people with 10s if not hundreds of cans.Do you even realize what those 100 cans do to the left side of the inventory? We don't need them there...they are just fine being in one place on the right side. The tree doesn't need to have every openable item in it...and while yes...I can just close the tree and not deal with it...the tree is the only way i can get to my ships.

on point #6

i honestly think u missed the point here completely. You told me all the EXTRA things that i need to do to make this simpler...why do I need to do all those extra things? I want to double click can and right lick open fuel bay on jump bridge...that's 3 clicks and a drag...or I can shift click 8 different things and separate my windows out. Great...extra time spent on a routine task.

point #7 i will leave alone...it's annoying nothing else.

as for the pos stuff, you are better off reading things from people who deal with it, i try to avoid posses as much as I can. reading cerys' post a few down from your reply should explain some things however.

as to why it took 10 minutes to load my carrier? Because the tree has way too much stuff in it, so finding the thing that I"m looking for takes time. Shift clicking takes extra work and effort.

You basically reinvented a circular wheel into a square one and are convinced that it still works...yes it will work because you forced it on us with us having no choice in the matter.

There are tons of posts on the forum about why the new system sucks...and most of them come to the same conclusion, it's too cumbersome and doesn't scale well at all and requires too many clicks. Go put 50 ships in your hangar and 50 cans in your item hangar. Put some more cans in your carrier and expand the entire tree...maybe then it'll be clear why this isn't working as intended.

Bullshift.

It will never cease to amaze me how casually it is assumed that shift-clicking is somehow equivalent to the mouse-only gameplay so many players are asking in various ways to see restored. I really (really) dislike having the keyboard in my lap. One hand is supposed to be on the mouse and the other on my after-work, ice-cold, frosty beer.

That's my playstyle.

When my beer hand is on the shift key, and not on my beer, my player experience is diminished. Significantly.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

It's great that windows stay open when you redock but that's not a solution. It's a workaround. I would've normally closed them as I did my work, increasing the station view. Station hangars are supposed to open from a single click on neocom buttons. Even if you manage to make tree entries open new windows with a single click, announcing that the headache tree is my salvation won't be received as great news. I dislike scrolling the tree. It's physically uncomfortable and less efficient. I was going to quote the equally-numerous references to "just use the tree" also but I dislike the tree so completely, its not even worth my time quoting. The tree is just way more eye strain than clicking a button that never moved. I could click that button drunk with one eye closed. Tree-navigation, not so much. In fact, if I hadn't gotten several RL headaches from all the scrolling, I wouldn't even have come up with the term "headache tree." It just won't be for me. If the tree is going to be the way, I just won't do industry anymore. It's that simple really.

EDIT: That was too personal. Those are my issues. I'm not angry. I'm disappointed that my gameplay was disrupted to a level that necessitated my presence in the forums to make my first complaint ever. (You may be stuck with me now though. I like it here.) As I'm still unsure of what's to be done, this issue remains of interest.




Oh yes. We noticed that. And as I'm pretty sure these iterations are now meant to make opening multiple windows more effortless because many players actually relied on multi-windowed functionality, one has to wonder if that original premise was valid, and if the circumstances which led to its adoption have been reevaluated.

A new inventory interface would have been welcome...

without the unification.

Yonis Kador

Might I ask what resolution/screen size you are using?

"cannot support two separately coded Inventory systems"

Nice evading.
But we dont want two separated inventory system. Enough for us if just the old inventory system come back. :P

Or just change to default shift click separated windows options to single click (as the old inventory system worked earlier) and just give to the new UI windows open to shift click if someone want to use that crap treepanel merged windows. (1% of players maybe will be use the new shift+click crap, but the others is hate this new ui shift+clickfests)
We dont want to use shift+clickfest and scrolling on trees half hour long times, drag and drop from/to two separated windows much-much easier than, looking something on horrible long treepanel. (or option on setting panel for change shift+click >< click to default function when open someone a separated windows) Really hard to programing this. LOL
And give back for us right click menus and separated icons which open in separated windows our ship hangars/corp hangars/item hangars/fuelbays etc.

And still not fixed when someone open a ship cargo at station and when change to another ship the inventory still show after ship changes the old ship inventory window with old items and not refreshing to new ship cargobay.