EVE General Discussion

why did we need a new thread for this when the OP's stance/opinion on the matter could had been posted in the "making nullsec vibrant again" thread?

It's the same old "nerf high sec and force high sec dwellers to go to null" rubbish sadly. It seems that people lack even a rudimentary understanding of psychology.

The only ones that come remotely close to that income is the market traders, good luck on fixing that one.

Oh yeh and I would like to see where someone says that they deserve to earn as much as someone in null sec ?

Why do you hive mind geniuses of the goonies care? Let everyone play the damned game as they see fit.

The development of societies is dictated by economics, not psychology.
Now, I've laid down some strong arguments on how to arrive at the desired goal of "making nullsec more vibrant", which involves buffing 0.0 industry to at least be capable of equal capacity of highsec, and make highsec AFK hauling less viable (if only to dampen 0.0 alliance-level supply convoys). But any sort of reform to fix even the most egregious tools of null alliance dominance that involves even the slightest thing to do with highsec unleashes wails of self-martyrization about how highsec players are being persecuted, or something.

What's the deal with all the people in this thread who think making null/lowsec more vibrant equates to adjusting how much isk someone in nullsec makes (or similarly adjusting how much people in hisec can make)?

Is that all eve online is to you people, imaginary space bucks?

Oh dear. The big problem with that argument is that it really doesn't appreciate that nullsec itself is very unattractive to many players. Lots of people don't like the idea of being shouted at by idiots on teamspeak, being forced into CTA's, being told where they can rat, where they can mine, when they have to logon and how high they have to jump.

The issue really is that 0.0 has become a virtual uniform monoculture with one structural format and only one mode of play. There is far more variety in lowsec (or even hisec) than nullsec can offer. I wouldn't lay the blame entirely with the players though, I think CCP have failed to promote gameplay variety in nullsec for half a decade now. As long as there is only one optimal path to success and wealth in nullsec people are going to choose that path, and where the path leads is mega alliances in perma naps sucking moon-minerals out of static resources while lording it over the peasants.

Once upon a time in Eve you could plan to go to 0.0 to kick over the established order, to destroy an alliance, to sieze power or liberate a benighted region with your heroic comrades at arms beside you.

These days the only people that go to 0.0 are joiners and followers who dig the workaday pattern of the cubicle-monkey and the wage slave.

Its perhaps Eve's deepest and most enduring irony that the genuine rebels and non-conformists of space are more likely to be found flipping cans in Jita or trying to mine ice during hulkageddon than out on the frontier. Nullsec has become sanitized corporate collectivism gone mad - its 9-5 administrators putting in their shift and boring their brains to self-destruct levels of lassitude.

And this is why these days the most exciting thing in nullsec is in hisec when the aristrocratic functionaries come to get their kicks hunting the urban poor for sport. (sounds a bit like a jean claud van damme film when you think of it like that).