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Anti-Carebears upset me very much

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SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-21 15:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: SKYIINET Caliborus
This post is pretty long, if you don't feel like reading the story-ish part, skip to the *-----*


This week, My corporation has had much difficulty with one player. I won't name them for now, but this is what happened:

Basically, I was set to recruit for my corporation, and my first or second recruit played like he was enjoying the game. Then a few days pass by and he suddenly blocks everyone in the corporation except his real life friend, and quits the corporation.

A few days later, I see a person in the local chats while I'm looking for plausible recruits and notice someone was about that had switched corporations over 10 times in one month. So I told my corporation owner watch out for this guy.

Well, it just so happens, the next morning, that this guy applies to my corporation. Then seconds later, I see the player appear in the corporation chat.I immediately tell my corporation leader to take him out on the spot, but it was too late, my leader didn't have the ability to kick him because the player wasn't docked.

(apparently my corporation leader miss-clicked or something, because he never accepts applications anymore)

Around this time, some of my corporation members were returning from an operation, and get blown up by that rogue player.

Now, during this time, that player admits he was the previous player that blocked me and my whole corp and left.

After proceeding to Dock-trap my whole corporation (which consists of mostly new people, which will be explained later) he goes on to explaining that he was doing it because my corporation was a care-bear corp and that he's trying to scare my members and give them an idea of how the game really is, (which they had a good damn idea of how the game really was).

This really annoyed me thousands of times over.

(And the player's actions were petitioned, this includes spawntrapping, quickscoping and spamming of the corporation chat)

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Yes, the corporation I'm in has many new players, it's not bad they're new, anyone who has a problem with that should remember the first days they started playing (you had a childhood once, if you are too good to think about the statement I said, refer to that)

I recruited all 33 Players from June 11th to June 20th (you can check the corporation member count, and I can screen shot the joined dates for you if you don't believe me, and send me a pm if you seriously don't believe me.)

Now, the reason the player was saying My corporation was a care-bear corporation was because we aren't exactly a CORPORATION like you might find some other corporations in the game resembling those of real life. And those corporations take things WAY too seriously for new players to handle.

I am trying to get a group together that can make isk, and "work" although they are really playing, along with other fellow players. The pay is fair, but there's no bribe to get them into the corp, or over payment.

If you've played other games, you'll find that their game mechanic is called a clan or guild or some legion-like system.
You don't join those to be forced to repeatedly do an action, you join them to have fun, and that's something I'm not seeing many players, old and new, having.

I'm trying to emulate that environment into my corporation, because I think it's not very cool to cause that much stress and obsessiveness over a GAME.


I'm not really seeing much of the universal player game etiquette in this game, and it's kind of sad.

If you don't know what a universal player game etiquette is, it's where old players help out the new players, or players interact with each other in a decent way. You can still pvp, because it's part of the game, just don't be a jerk or destroy them repeatedly without a good cause.

BTW NOT ALL PLAYERS WERE LOGGED IN AT ONCE THERE WERE 1-9 AT THE TIME, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY A SHIP AND FLY IT WITHOUT LEAVING THE STATION TO GO GET IT.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-21 15:31:13 UTC
This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.

If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate.

brb

Ishen Villone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-21 15:32:38 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.

If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate.


You have a fundamental misunderstanding of CCP's philosophy on player interactions.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-06-21 15:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
This does seem to be a case of griefing/harassment. Not my call. But it seems to be.

I would petition, and make sure to give CCP as much detail as possible.



Specifically, this:
Quote:
After proceeding to Dock-trap my whole corporation (which consists of mostly new people, which will be explained later) he goes on to explaining that he was doing it because my corporation was a care-bear corp and that he's trying to scare my members and give them an idea of how the game really is, (which they had a good damn idea of how the game really was).


It seems he has an out of game motivation, to apply an out of game effect.

But, I'm no expert.
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-21 15:36:08 UTC
Please point out the fundamental misunderstanding.
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#6 - 2012-06-21 15:40:16 UTC
You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that.

Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp.
Aaewen Hrothgarson
eXtreme Co
SLYCE Pirates
#7 - 2012-06-21 15:40:32 UTC
Also, your CEO should reimburse the victims and reenable the "are you sure" pop ups ...
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#8 - 2012-06-21 15:43:00 UTC
Danks wrote:
...
Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp.

It quite could be. The whole "make them scared" bit would indicate an out of game motivation for out of game effect. Which could take it into the realm of griefing/harrasment. not our call to make though, its up to CCP.



But really, just blast the guy and if you need help, some of us would be willing to do this for free.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#9 - 2012-06-21 15:43:32 UTC
If the guy was killing everyone for no personal gain or profit, but rather to just "show them noobs", then yeah it can be considered griefing.
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-21 15:45:01 UTC
The people I had to take care of this weren't logged in at the time, and the players that got killed were new new new, I'm talking less than 4 days. And most of them didn't want to pvp, and I don't blame them.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-21 15:45:50 UTC
Ishen Villone wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.

If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate.


You have a fundamental misunderstanding of CCP's philosophy on player interactions.



You have a very high option of yourself understanding of what is or not grieffing. What about let CCP and this person set what is about in this particular case?

My opinion is not better than yours but at least I'll try to give Op an option to set things straight about his concerns witch is obviously not your case.

So unless your GM yourself, witch I doubt, you should try to answer Op concerns the best you can (witch I doubt too)

brb

Campl3r Athonille
Bluestar Enterprises
The Craftsmen
#12 - 2012-06-21 15:45:56 UTC
sounds like you did **** and want ccp to fix it?
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#13 - 2012-06-21 15:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aulx-Gao Ekanon
Corina Jarr wrote:
But really, just blast the guy and if you need help, some of us would be willing to do this for free.

This.

_Naughty by nature, wicked by choice. _

SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-21 15:47:26 UTC
No, there is no need for CCP It's about how other players look at carebear corps, the story-ish thing was to put in the reason this all came up and I decided to post about it. -_________-
Aliaksandre
Wolf's Dragoons.
#15 - 2012-06-21 15:47:44 UTC
Working as intended
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#16 - 2012-06-21 15:50:18 UTC
Ohhhhhh.


Well, not gonna change peoples minds on things. Like trying to argue evolution to a devout Catholic. Or the potential existence of a supreme being to a person who only follows their view of logic. Its just not going to work.

I don't like the views of neonazis, doesn't make a lick of difference.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-06-21 15:51:01 UTC
the reason he is killing you and you deserve to die is that you thought that was griefing

you've earned it, best of luck

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Ivan Ward
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-21 16:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivan Ward
Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly.
That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.

Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform.

"Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you."

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#19 - 2012-06-21 16:06:42 UTC
Danks wrote:
You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that.

Not empty quoting.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-06-21 16:09:23 UTC
Possible solutions:

1. It could be considered griefing, because he knew that you are all newbies and just joined for the single purpose of killing and annoying you guys. So hopefully a GM will fix this for you.

2. Simply kick him after down time or whenever he is offline. If I'm not mistaken, that works.

3. Team up! You have 30 people. Even if he is more experienced, you can bring him down. Just swarm him all at once with cheap frigates.
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