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Corps Need to be Able To Implement an LP Tax / Allow Non FW Corps to Join Alliances
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Shadows Of The Federation
#21 - 2012-06-21 12:04:03 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
If you don't know how to collect "taxes" from your members you are a horrible CEO and should just quit EVE.


Anxiously waiting for Eddie's input in this thread :)
Dood Maker
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-21 12:55:43 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:

OK So after spending quite a bit of time planning and re planning one of the major detriments to FW corps / alliances is the problem of not being able to fund the corp.


So you planned and re-planned but found that you cant make any money in FW?

Have you heard of corp donations? You run plexes for the day with your corp as a corp and make a day of it. You then choose a Item that you want to sell that you can buy with LP and the people in the corp that was with you in fleet buy that with 50% of the LP they got on the Day. You then sell that for isk.... Now was that so hard to do? You clearly did not plan well.

BolsterBomb wrote:

In any non FW corp the corp gains money from taxes. In FW we get money from LP, not ratting. Since there is no way for a corp to gain income (since we dont rat) it makes starting SRP, and Corp Wide Projects near impossible, unless funded directly by the players.


This sounds like carebear projects.... We will give you free frigates for plexing like a bot and make us rich MUHAHAHA...

Militia is Pvp... Yes you plex and you make LP. But you plex because you hope for that solo 1v1 fight. (Well that's why im in FW)

BolsterBomb wrote:

There is a ton of stuff Id like to see done within our alliance / corp but it needs funding to do so. Without a funding mechanism FW corps are severely limited in what they can do.


You need to speak to your corp and have a bit of a corp meeting. the first thing to do is say: "I was thinking of doing ABC. What you guys/girls think about it and what you think will be the best way to fund it in the current state we in?" You might be surprised what suggestions you get form people.

BolsterBomb wrote:

The other thing (related to the tax) is that Alliances should be allowed to have Non FW Corps join in the alliance. This would allow us to actually have an industrial unit / mission unit/ etc. This would allow us to expand and actually compete more with a 0.0 alliance. We already cant feasible own a moon worth anything, POCOs we can however so can everyone else.


As stated before by others... YOU NEVER JOIN YOUR INDUSTRIAL WITH PVP. Have you heard of a wardec.

If your corp gets wardecd, everybody has killrights on them in your corp. Even the Industrial unit.

2 Corps = 1FW - 1Missions/industrial

Job Done
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-21 14:46:38 UTC
Ill respond to some of the commets made because some are good.

1) Why not do a corp LP day. Sure you can, and you do exactly that, however why should a LS corp have to do a planned "corp isk" day when a 0.0 or HS corp/alliance can do it passively via tax?

2) A SRP is to help get people into consistent bs and bc fleets not just frigates, if you cant be self suffiecient buying your own frigates and cruisers something is wrong. Corpmates dont need help here, they need help in the bigger more expensive stuff such as BS, Concsitent BC, t2 cruisers etc

3) Its isnt a falacy, corps that fly bigger / shinier stuff have more oppertunities then corps flying around in t1 cruiser hulls. Doesnt mean you cant win fights it just is very simple. A t1 cruiser or bc gang without logi (typical in ls) is not going to go against a roaming hac / or t3 cruiser gang.

4) Corp donations....right....that falls under the same senario as 10% do all the work in a corp and the other 90% leach off of it.

5) Dues, that is an option but then again it also is a huge turn off in corps. Thats why taxes are more appealing, its the norm. Dues are a different method

6) Ill digress the indy in the pvp corp - point taken however, they can always be wardecd and your enemy will eventually find out who they are so I dont find this a huge problem. Putting them in the alliance (not corp) makes them part of something. A seperate lone indy corp is an outsider. Flying under the same banner is very important for unification.

7) Self suffiency in LS - why do LS pilots have to be the only people in the game that have to be self suffiecent? Any other part of EVE corps usually supply something for members

8) Instituting corp projects HELPS with recruiting. IMO the corp (a LS/FW) that can figure out how to act as a 0.0 alliance will be a dominant force in LS.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
DirtyDozen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-21 15:35:05 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
The majority of successful FW corps are successful because they do not rely on FW mechanics for income. There are 9,146,984,120 ways to make isk in Eve and LP is only one of them.

Industrial corps should never be in the same alliance as your PvP corps anyways (in most cases), why paint a big ass target on your carebears?



^^ QFT
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-21 15:40:48 UTC
DirtyDozen wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
The majority of successful FW corps are successful because they do not rely on FW mechanics for income. There are 9,146,984,120 ways to make isk in Eve and LP is only one of them.

Industrial corps should never be in the same alliance as your PvP corps anyways (in most cases), why paint a big ass target on your carebears?



^^ QFT



And a lot of those ways require alts

A game should not be "you have to have an alt to be successful".

I

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#26 - 2012-06-23 01:38:41 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
DirtyDozen wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
The majority of successful FW corps are successful because they do not rely on FW mechanics for income. There are 9,146,984,120 ways to make isk in Eve and LP is only one of them.

Industrial corps should never be in the same alliance as your PvP corps anyways (in most cases), why paint a big ass target on your carebears?



^^ QFT



And a lot of those ways require alts

A game should not be "you have to have an alt to be successful".

I



CCP doesn't agree. Guess you need to find a new game.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#27 - 2012-06-23 18:45:34 UTC
When I ran Heretic Army, and it was a bigger corporation, we had ship replacement, corp Logistics ships and free ammoz for our members. And we did not have this well of LP to suck up for the isk.

So figure your **** out and stop requiring CCP turn your sandbox into a crystal sculpture. Put some effort into the game and your corp. Or are you a terribad CEO who has no idea how to run a corp in EVE?
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