EVE General Discussion

Ahh, that must be new since the last time I let my subs lapse.

Stating <> doing and most of all, it's <> doing it well.
They need to be kept under close scrutiny because they have this attitude at quickly swiping rubble under the door mat, "get it half done, now forget it and switch to something else".




1) I don't complain, I am not the null sec guy who wants people to join them. I have traded both in Jita / Amarr / Dodixie / Rens / Oursulaert / Tash Murkon AND NPC null sec just fine. I am the happiest man on EvE in this regard.

2) "No social aspect" might be a bit harsh and if anything, just reinforced what I said before, that is incursions were meant to incentivize social aspects and ISK and only got well made (too well made) in the ISK aspect.

The main issue with mission running in hisec is that there isn't enough incentive for a vast majority to run missions in losec (below .5) and null.

Anything that requires a little effort from hisec players is met with scorn and ridiculous notions of conspiracy.

Or just increase their likelihood of getting their ship blown up in highsec so the prospect of ship loss isn't such a big deal or a barrier to trying new things.

That's highsec, bringing you the best isk for the lowest risk.

It's not the best ISK by large. The lowest risk makes it *relatively* reliable and thus seen as best net income.

What people don't realize is that you can't just buff 0.0 or nerf hi sec to "make it fair". After you really factor in the MASSIVE loss and its consequences (i.e. even just getting a replaceemnt in 0.0 for all the mods and rigs is a PAIN) you get by doing the same activity where your ship gets popped you realize that hi sec should reward something stupid like 2M per hour, not just a "nerf".
It'd be a total hi sec annihilation and you ALL know CCP are not going to get their game lose a major portion of playerbase for that.

It's why I suggested to implement *different and unique* not *more* (0.0) or *less* (hi sec nerf).

You got to be pragmatic, drawing on the clouds only keeps generating N! threads on GD for nothing.

Since when?

Read the top of this page.

I agree with this assessment of that thread. There have been at times constructive discussions about the problem.

I find it telling that the OP felt the need to create a thread to discuss another thread and as such I think the thread I am posting in now sucks.

Learn to read, not just to see what you see thru your salami slices glasses.

I said they were engineered to have a social aspect plus ISK, and that the former fell short. Not that they were all social and fluffy, because evidently it turned out the social part failed.




Another who make it personal and of course - wrong.
I also have never lost a single L3+ PvE ship in low or nullsec. I had plenty of opportunities to lose them, both when I was in Stain for pirate L4, in Minmatar low sec around Evati and Taff (more L4) and in other places.
I also never lost a freighter despite I and other about 6 logistic officers had to haul stuff for the corp for 7 or so low sec jumps every week.

So what? Your non sequitur still remains a non sequitur.
Unlike what you seem to be limited at, I can extrapolate more than personal social behavior. I know hundreds of people in all secs, I know how they think and what they do and why.

I make a point for the general playerbase not because *I* lost some ship.




Once again a brilliant "one size fits all" conclusion.
Nope. EvE is larger than your horizon. Looking thru a tight butt hole does not show the whole beauty of EvE.

There's loads of people who purely do missions to get the best mission ships they can. Those ridicolous killmails showing 30B worth of pimpboat killed demostrate they made improving their ship their own, sandbox, end game.

There's loads who make isk to buy BPOs to make stuff. Because they like to make stuff. They like to learn the 1000 tricks to do it better, faster, more efficient.

There's loads who make ISK and buy a Tengu and go low sec to get shiny sites and then go sell their loot. The finding is a reward on itself (for others it's a mere way to get money, EvE caters to both).

There's loads of traders who like me make money as byproduct of enjoying the markets. They spend months learning all the tricks of the trades, the trends, the fundamentals that make items go up or down...

All of those are different and beyond the "Make ISK for your 0.0 main".

Put it in your head: there's less people who have or will ever care to have a 0.0 main than you believe. EvE is bigger and greater and grander than your tunnel vision.




1) One man disposable corps. Asinine fix circumvented. Next.

2) No, destroying hi sec you'll just get a whole panorama of sh!t, empty space.

Your cure is like a grand statement declaring how making every USA citizen gain 82 dollars a month like in Burundi, will clearly motivate USA citizens to move to Burundi.