EVE General Discussion

hisec pubbie: JUMPBRIDGES PROJECT POWER!!!!!!!!!!!! NERF JUMPBRIDGES!!!
me: "no, they do not. JFs, carriers, dreads, rorquals, supercarriers, titans and forward staging areas do.
hisec pubbie: NO!!! JUMPBRIDGES!!!!!!!!!!! NERF JUMPBRIDGES AND NERF POWER PROJECTION!!!!!!!!!
me: ...sigh. No, they're not a major power projection tool, nerfing them won't reduce power projection.
hisec pubbie: YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED WE'LL TAKE AWAY YOUR POWER PROJECTION TOOL!!!
me: dear lord.


The one time I've been told that, I moved on to a different alliance. Oddly enough, it helped, and I've stayed there ever since.

To be completely honest from the outside looking in, this thread has lowered my opinion of null sec even further. Why precisely would a new player want to go to null? Especially one that doesn't want to just be someone else's bus boy.

If that's what you think the entire null is all about, then nothing I'll say will probably help, since you'll probably just think I'm lying when I say "not all of null is like that". I know, I've been in a ****** alliance, I moved on and found me an alliance which wasn't ****. I've stayed there ever since.

Cleaned up the thread a tiny bit.

Carry on.

I am pretty sure I never said in this thread jump bridges were over powered. So please link me the one where I say "Jump bridges are OP" As far as the rest of your post, I believe we somewhat share the same goal, to make null more vibrant and 'fixed', but we have different view points on how to get it done and the end product we have different views on what that means.

I am sure we both agree what it currently is, is most certainly not it and to get it fixed requires a lot of work.

This thread had (has?) potential for constructive dialog on ideas and such, but it will always deteriorate faster than anything the moment the trolling starts. Can we get it back to that begging part everyone liked?

I agree with changing the null sec refine rate, with the recent drone nerf there is no reason to nerf high sec's refineries. The refine rates are not the reason why people don't want to go into null sec. Since both the Drone Regions and mission running or drone plexes are now completely ****. I say this because I do not mine, I have no interest in mining. I would rather be self-sufficient without needing a hulk (i.e. being able to completely be independent of the need for isk for pvp ships and ammo.)

I agree and support the high sec drones from not dropping the drone poo anymore. But with crappy bounties, a nerfed true sec, and absolutely nothing for ratters than salvage that maybe able to make a couple of rigs not related to drones. But nothing really I could use to make rigs for my pvp ships. There is nothing in the Drone Regions, but rocks. I will harm myself and others around me if I have to mine. IRL I believe that physical confrontation solves nothing, that civilized people confront each other by using conversation than physical force. This does not mean I am a pacifist, but do not see a point in violence solving problems. Because nothing is really solved, you just make someone mad. Then that causes more violence with no actual peaceful resolution. Take the nation of Isreal, if those two cultures could just work together it would be a wonderful city. Instead it is a war zone, both cultures fighting a war that maybe as old as the idea of civilization itself.

Mining turns me into this http://dadinaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/incredible-hulk-wallpapers-278937.jpeg

so I don't do it.

There is nothing CCP can do but seed items on the market in null sec. It is both a player problem and a player created one. If there was the ability for a 100% refine rate (maybe tie it in to the industrial index for more incentive for a level V system.) I believe that a null sec alliance/corp should be willing to protect and defend its space. Not many alliances are actually willing to require for there to be PVP ships on stations and gates.

Another incentive would be to rework the bubble system. Currently a majority of PVP i have seen have been at Stations, Gates and POS's. It happens almost everywhere in null. Instead of only allowing bubbles to pull players away from gates when they land. I think that a bubble should also be able to stop a player in mid warp if their path intersects with the bubble. This way PVP can happen in the middle of nowhere with no docking or stargate to bail that person out. It would force the target to fight back instead of running to jump out. It could be a good tactic to counter blobs, or catch that unwairy person in null traveling from gate to gate. Many will QQ because there is no safety net. But this idea would bring another level of depth that is sorely needed to pvp. Because honestly planets, moons, stations, gates, asteroid fields, anomolies, all types of signatures, sometimes a safe if the prober gets him in time. I think allowing the bubbles to pull players out of warp in mid warp would be attract players, and allow players to finally be able to use traps.


Here is an example of a gate camp.


The great thing about EVE is the fleets. Why anyone would actually want to PVP solo I have no idea. Mainly because a majority enjoy flying in fleets because flying with others is fun. Cooperation with in an Alliance is fun. Making friends with other Alliance s and flying with other Alliances is fun. What is really fun about sov is taking it, or attempting to take it. Participating in overthrowing an empire to replace one that is yours or someone else's you are participating with. All that is part of the fun, but when Alliances end their wars and they just sit there. If you want a thunderdome I could find a WH for you and you could use that as your own personal thunderdome. But sov is about building and maintaining an empire. Sov is about cooperation and teamwork. Only Alliances that work well together hold sov for extended periods of time. Case and point Test. Will anyone try and take fountain? Will anyone try and take Delkin? Probably not.

A major problem to why 0.0 is dying I mainly attribute to what other players have told me about 0.0 When I first started I was told that 0.0 you had to have a lot of skill points and you had to do this and that. That new players shouldn't go into low or null. Or that if you as a new player joins a null sec alliance they will tell you to come out there then kill your ship and your pod after you join and go out there. I think the common misconception is that all null sec pilots are like Goons. That is not actually true.

I think the best way to bring in new people to null sec is to start teaching new to eve players and old eve players new to null. The only problem is that requires trust (so does living in null) but the culture of eve is either you are a scammer or a ganker or both. Or you are prey. Many players do not see the third option. Not many players actually help out new players or new corporations. It is a sink or swim kind of thing. I don't think null should be like that. I think that players from high sec should be attacking sov regions. Because I feel so strongly that this is a player base problem not completely a CCP problem I am willing to train any alliance or corporation in how to survive in null sec. I have been living in null sec for about one and a half years. I have only been playing for two. Not as impressive as 04 but I believe null sec is there for anyone ballsy enough to take it. In eve there are two things you can do lead or follow. Be the wolf or the sheep.

Maybe this suggestion can be helpful
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115357&find=unread

The idea is simple, reward will be dynamic depending on how dangerous a system is, high risk = high reward.

Feel free to drop by and poke some holes in my idea.

So in other words, eve players are a bunch of dicks.

Picture this: Someone hotdropping the miners as part of economic warfare. Using supercaps to flip the station and make money off the firesales.

By the way CVA which doesn't shoot non-reds on sight? Recently they had to basically set anyone and everything associated with CFC red. They should probably just set the universe red and unred people.

(PS Rifters have gone there).

This is a blatant misrepresentation of what we're saying. What we're saying is that nullsec should have more people in there so there's more of a feeling of life there. Of course, the flipside to that is that roaming gangs also have more people to shoot, but if there's actually people to defend against incursions, then maybe more people will defend, which in turn creates more content.


This is a blatent lie. We generally feel concord is doing its job just fine as it is at providing consequences for doing "bad things" in hisec. Nobody has said, in all seriousness, that concord should be removed.


There's a reason for that. If you don't know why, have a chat with CVA and the providence inhabitants about how much work it is to maintain a NRDS list instead.


This isn't the most popular defense mechanism, because it often backfires.


Are you implying someone's botting? If so, I suggest you report them for botting.