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Corps Need to be Able To Implement an LP Tax / Allow Non FW Corps to Join Alliances
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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-19 20:40:00 UTC
Please move this to the necessary forum if this isnt where it is supposed to be.


OK So after spending quite a bit of time planning and re planning one of the major detriments to FW corps / alliances is the problem of not being able to fund the corp.

In any non FW corp the corp gains money from taxes. In FW we get money from LP, not ratting. Since there is no way for a corp to gain income (since we dont rat) it makes starting SRP, and Corp Wide Projects near impossible, unless funded directly by the players.

There is a ton of stuff Id like to see done within our alliance / corp but it needs funding to do so. Without a funding mechanism FW corps are severly limited in what they can do.


The other thing (related to the tax) is that Alliances should be allowed to have Non FW Corps join in the alliance. This would allow us to actually have an industrial unit / mission unit/ etc. This would allow us to expand and actualy compete more with a 0.0 alliance. We already cant feasible own a moon worth anything, POCOs we can however so can everyone else.

TLDR

Without a corporate income source FW corps are limited in what they can do

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#2 - 2012-06-19 22:34:46 UTC
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#3 - 2012-06-20 03:36:14 UTC
Why does an industrial wing of your group have to be in the same alliance? For that matter why would you want them in your alliance, it just sticks a big target on them.

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#4 - 2012-06-20 03:37:18 UTC
A LP tax? Not able to start an industrial department? Non FW entities in a FW based alliance? lol.These all seem like silly ideas, and I was unaware that FW removed your ability to invent and manufacture.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#5 - 2012-06-20 03:59:25 UTC
LP tax is very interesting idea. Probably will take just a couple of years to implement.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2012-06-20 08:53:49 UTC
Schalac wrote:
A LP tax? Not able to start an industrial department? Non FW entities in a FW based alliance? lol.These all seem like silly ideas, and I was unaware that FW removed your ability to invent and manufacture.



I'm too lazy for all that stuff.

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minuseb
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2012-06-20 12:25:30 UTC
how about a standard LP tax that would be automatically "donated" to your faction IHUBs? Big smile to upgrade levels or fill the buffer
maybe have it only for people in npc fw corp as to promote joining a "real" corp ...
i play rarely so thats why i'm in TLIB , for now Big smile
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#8 - 2012-06-20 14:27:17 UTC
The majority of successful FW corps are successful because they do not rely on FW mechanics for income. There are 9,146,984,120 ways to make isk in Eve and LP is only one of them.

Industrial corps should never be in the same alliance as your PvP corps anyways (in most cases), why paint a big ass target on your carebears?

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#9 - 2012-06-20 14:32:25 UTC
I made a proposal several weeks about and outline a few things I thought needed to be adjusted. One of them was a LP tax.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114840&find=unread

Far as the non FW industrial stuff.. That will never happen, you just have to do like everyone else does and set up separate corps out side the PVP group.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-20 14:32:50 UTC
There are a ton of ways to make income, but none of those methods provide for corporate income to run corp programs.

An indy non fw corp in alliance isnt bad at all, why have indies in any corp if that is the case? If they were an indy fw corp then it would be a problem.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Ethan Argoin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-06-20 14:48:32 UTC
There is no need for LP tax.

Most 0.0 / high sec alliances / corps needs funds for ship replacements, yadayadayada...

In Factional Warfare this isnt required.

Player X gets LP, player X loses ship, Player X replaces ship with LP - rince repeat.

Factional Warfare corps are and should remain with the players being self sufficient, its kind of the point.

Furthermore, the whole point in being in Factional Warfare is to be in low sec, whereby having people doing anything other than Miltiia PVP or plexing seems a pointless idea ;)

Ethan
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-20 14:51:05 UTC
Ethan Argoin wrote:
There is no need for LP tax.

Most 0.0 / high sec alliances / corps needs funds for ship replacements, yadayadayada...

In Factional Warfare this isnt required.

Player X gets LP, player X loses ship, Player X replaces ship with LP - rince repeat.

Factional Warfare corps are and should remain with the players being self sufficient, its kind of the point.

Furthermore, the whole point in being in Factional Warfare is to be in low sec, whereby having people doing anything other than Miltiia PVP or plexing seems a pointless idea ;)

Ethan



And I believe this mindset is what makes players eventually leave FW. Most players cannot be self sufficient to fly the ships that people want (t2 cruisers, caps, etc)

Without having multiple accounts a FW only player cannot be sustain enough income to support those types of ships on CONSISTENT basis.

A SRP in FW would go a long long way.


Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Ethan Argoin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-06-20 15:00:36 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Ethan Argoin wrote:
There is no need for LP tax.

Most 0.0 / high sec alliances / corps needs funds for ship replacements, yadayadayada...

In Factional Warfare this isnt required.

Player X gets LP, player X loses ship, Player X replaces ship with LP - rince repeat.

Factional Warfare corps are and should remain with the players being self sufficient, its kind of the point.

Furthermore, the whole point in being in Factional Warfare is to be in low sec, whereby having people doing anything other than Miltiia PVP or plexing seems a pointless idea ;)

Ethan



And I believe this mindset is what makes players eventually leave FW. Most players cannot be self sufficient to fly the ships that people want (t2 cruisers, caps, etc)

Without having multiple accounts a FW only player cannot be sustain enough income to support those types of ships on CONSISTENT basis.

A SRP in FW would go a long long way.




My character is relatively new, and I manage to keep my losses replaced with no issue? I also have no alts.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#14 - 2012-06-20 15:00:57 UTC
Just a thought, start lobbying for cyno jammers as a fw system upgrade and maybe moons become a viable option. Prob will never happen due to null whinefest that would ensue...last thing those guys want is skilled pvper's with a lot of ISK Shocked

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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-20 15:07:53 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Just a thought, start lobbying for cyno jammers as a fw system upgrade and maybe moons become a viable option. Prob will never happen due to null whinefest that would ensue...last thing those guys want is skilled pvper's with a lot of ISK Shocked



Nexx that is a very good idea, if corps could manage moons it would make things better.


As for the armiarian. So you can field 4 different recons at any time, logi, at least 3 types of BS, have 4 drakes stores up as well as t2 variant frigates and HACs, etc ready to roll?

The short answer is you can have normal ships stocked but not the type of ships that enable a militia to CONSISTENTLY roll a t3 (strat cruiser) fleet with full logi

That is what I am talking about, not a random fleet of dessys and t1 cruisers. Anyone should be able to field up to BC with no problem. Its getting past the BC

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-20 16:32:02 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
And I believe this mindset is what makes players eventually leave FW. Most players cannot be self sufficient to fly the ships that people want (t2 cruisers, caps, etc)

Without having multiple accounts a FW only player cannot be sustain enough income to support those types of ships on CONSISTENT basis.


Soooo... tell me about how taking some of your members' income and merely redistributing it among others would change that. Taxes don't make your corp magically get more money than what the people already make.

I'm not against your idea in principle. However with the speed CCP is pushing these kind of changes you will wait years for it. Meanwhile, if you want to tax your members, simply ask them for a weekly/monthly fixed payment. It's fairer than a percentage tax anyway.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#17 - 2012-06-20 18:20:36 UTC
If you don't know how to collect "taxes" from your members you are a horrible CEO and should just quit EVE.
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#18 - 2012-06-20 18:33:00 UTC
Just have a corp character that has standings for FW lvl 4 missions. Run some missions as a group inc the corp char and then all share reward LPs, corp char ends up with piles of LPs to fund corp stuff.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-20 18:53:06 UTC
Dalts wrote:
Just have a corp character that has standings for FW lvl 4 missions. Run some missions as a group inc the corp char and then all share reward LPs, corp char ends up with piles of LPs to fund corp stuff.



Majority of LP doesnt come from mission grinding anymore, its from plexing (at least up here)

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#20 - 2012-06-21 04:52:19 UTC  |  Edited by: marketjacker
There's plenty of ways a non indy corp can make income as a corp outside of group activities. SLAPD generates about 300 mil a week passively without taxing our members and we are only a 10 man active corp. Just because you are too dense to see it and your corp members are all mouthbreathing morons doesn't mean the whole system needs to adapt to suit lazy mongloid people.

Keep posting though it's always reassuring to see so many bad ideas coming from the brain crippled.
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