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Drake Is Balanced, Don't Nerf It
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Zaaark Quasar
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-04-02 18:19:26 UTC
Drake is boring, that´s the problem with it.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#62 - 2012-04-02 18:20:28 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
The pvp thing, I am still up in the air about that one. Sure they have the ehp, but it isn't that far off of other pvp battlecruisers. I have seen the drake fleets melt to any form of hellcat fleet.


But you do realize that the Hellcat is a tier 3 Battleship worth about 250 M ...and the drake just a 40 M Battelcruiser?

Of course drakes lose to a hellcat-fleet - everything else would be an outrage. But the fact alone that you need a specialized battleship setup to counter a specific BC shows that there is something terribly wrong with the drake....


Confirming ship size/price = victory and that bigger ships should always beat smaller ones Roll


Yes, indeed. If two fleets just stand still and duke it out (as the normal drake pilot does) the bigger ships should always win.



Who ever sits still deserves to lose their ship.

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Doomheim
#63 - 2012-04-02 18:23:17 UTC
THE DRAKE IS A LIE

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#64 - 2012-04-02 18:42:57 UTC
i believe the ROF + missile speed bonus is way better than the tank and kinetic damage. drake will get up to 25% more DPS and will be able to hit with hams at quite some nice range, coupled with the fact its layout still allows for sick tanks, it will be a really good ship for pvp and pve sort of a cheap tengu
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-04-02 18:57:36 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

But you do realize that the Hellcat is a tier 3 Battleship worth about 250 M ...and the drake just a 40 M Battelcruiser?

Of course drakes lose to a hellcat-fleet - everything else would be an outrage. But the fact alone that you need a specialized battleship setup to counter a specific BC shows that there is something terribly wrong with the drake....


Wasn't just meaning abaddon. Okay, saying hellcat, I meant the pulse laser fleets. Of course it is reliant on getting good range to the drakes though. Oooh, I said the magic word that was the main point of talking the drake.... range! Again, drake is the only bc that can put down half arsed damage at 60km outside of the tier3, which no surprise I see alot now. The drake is less about the ehp but more about the range. If you just make it a missile spewing instead of the resist bonus, it will become more FOTM unless fittings gets severely nerfed on it as well.

Cause more DPS, standard bc tank and range of a tier 3, it will be more powered. What was the old saying? Gank before tank? So yeah, lets remove the resist so it takes (bc4 standard) tops 20% more on the alpha and doesnt logi as well. You still need to take them out quick before logistics get on them. Instead, we will make them so they can take out other fleets more effectively at the range they operate at will be better? How about modifying battlecruisers with tanks that can operate at similar turret damage at the missile range.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-04-03 00:24:53 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
i believe the ROF + missile speed bonus is way better than the tank and kinetic damage. drake will get up to 25% more DPS and will be able to hit with hams at quite some nice range, coupled with the fact its layout still allows for sick tanks, it will be a really good ship for pvp and pve sort of a cheap tengu


Not to beat the dead horse, but that still doesn't make the dps anything to smile about.

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Farveille
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-06-21 02:14:22 UTC
With the incoming buff (if it comes) I have thinking if the Drake would still be able to perform correctly in WH space (C1 - C2) ? Plus the layout still allows us to get a nice fitting ... But passive tanking is still worth ? Or on the contrary this buff will allow us to pay more attention to a active tanking fitting ...
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-06-21 02:51:36 UTC
Can someone make new threads to troll already?? Necroing crappy threads like this needs to stop now. And by that I mean yesterday.

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#69 - 2012-06-21 03:05:05 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Sunviking wrote:
At the end of the day, the Drake's shield resistance bonus results in it being over-tanked for it's ship class and in combat.

Caldari ships in general lack offensive capability in PvP, so it makes sense to swap the Shield Resistance bonus for a Missile Velocity bonus to boost offense.


Yay, missile velocity. Not even raw dps....


I hope you realize this increases the dps in real combat, right? It is the rough equivalent of trans speed in turrets.

So imagine having all this alpha and not being able to lay a shot. Not cool right?
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Bad Girl Posse
#70 - 2012-06-21 04:22:01 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Drake is boring, that´s the problem with it.



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Laila Kumaki
Nex quod Principatus
#71 - 2012-06-21 05:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Laila Kumaki
masternerdguy wrote:
The drake has a nice tank. I'll give you that. However, it's offensive capabilities are less than spectacular. This seemed to be fair, since you can soak up a fair bit of damage but not dish as much out.

However, the CCP conspiracy to remove caldari from the game continues. The caldari have few good ships, and the drake is one of them (and it isn't even THAT good compared to the other BCs in the game). The falcon was our only really good one, and you decided it was grossly overpowered and nerfed it.

If you nerf the drake in the way you propose it will lose its ability to do level 4 missions. It will be unable to solo pvp effectively, and HAM drake gangs will be a joke. But if you want to make only 3 races worth flying, go ahead.



I fly a number of caldari ships, most conspicuously drake, tengu, and falcon. I think you are conspicuously ignorant on this subject.

Seriously, I have no idea what you think you're even talking about. The words coming out of your mouth are not attached in any meaningful way to observable fact as demonstrated by my own personal experience. In point of fact every claim you make that would seem to be a statement of fact is demonstrably false. You have achieved 100% wrongness.
Betrinna Cantis
#72 - 2012-06-21 05:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Betrinna Cantis
Just means you have to HTFU and fly Amarr. Caldari race is the easiest to train up, that is why most fly them. I am Amarr and fly them too because of that.
Them being Caldari

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Betrinna Cantis
#73 - 2012-06-21 06:12:44 UTC
Betrinna Cantis wrote:
Just means you have to HTFU and fly Amarr. Caldari race is the easiest to train up, that is why most fly them. I am Amarr and fly them too because of that.
Them being Caldari

Don't get me wrong, Drakes are an awesome ship fit correctly for missions. They breeze level 3's. Level 4's if you like to run. I prefer to stick around in my Level 4's. Caldari ships are the easiest to train up in this game because you do not need all the cap and armor skills that go with the other races. It need some nerf and help at the same time. Less tank and a little more DPS would be good.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#74 - 2012-06-21 09:47:14 UTC
Current HM Drake has more DPS than any other ship if jammed. just saying.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#75 - 2012-06-21 13:47:50 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Sunviking wrote:
At the end of the day, the Drake's shield resistance bonus results in it being over-tanked for it's ship class and in combat.

Caldari ships in general lack offensive capability in PvP, so it makes sense to swap the Shield Resistance bonus for a Missile Velocity bonus to boost offense.


Yay, missile velocity. Not even raw dps....


I hope you realize this increases the dps in real combat, right? It is the rough equivalent of trans speed in turrets.

So imagine having all this alpha and not being able to lay a shot. Not cool right?



NO! gah get your facts straigh, Missile Speed is not the same as explosion speed, the only single thing it modifies is the missile range, not its damage, missiles in eve could move at a billion m/s and still apply 3 damage to a frigate due to slow explosion velocity.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-06-21 14:17:50 UTC
I beg you to come 1vs1 vs my drake after changes, it's such a nerf +30% dps ALL dmg types (but small loss kinetic) and 65K ehp instead of 80...indeed.

brb
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-06-21 14:22:59 UTC
Sunviking wrote:
Caldari ships in general lack offensive capability in PvP, so it makes sense to swap the Shield Resistance bonus for a Missile Velocity bonus to boost offense.


Haven't been playing with the new Merlin, have we?

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Doddy
Excidium.
#78 - 2012-06-21 14:42:54 UTC
Berendas wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
The drake has a nice tank. I'll give you that.


It has a BS class tank, thats called overpowered, not 'nice'.




so does the prophecy, no ones complaining about that.
Silly Slot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-06-21 14:55:48 UTC
lol the prophecy has a bs tank of armor that doesnt passive regen... drakes have passive regens that can nearly tank some small fleets its f*cking stupid, battle cruisers are BATTLE CRUISERS, there not supposed to be hard a shell nuts to crack... technically the prophecy shud also get a bit of a adjustment and they probably will but the drake is the worst offender.
Tore Vest
#80 - 2012-06-21 15:14:32 UTC
Im glad I can fly all sub capital ships out there (allmost)
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