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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#681 - 2012-06-21 03:11:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cascade Imminent Mining Pass

If you fill up the 50 member corp cap, that's like 10M isk a month per character for use of billions of ISK worth of infrastructure.

It's like smallholding, but a renter version.

Wow.

Hellz yeah

we are creating a diaspora from the hulkageddon oppressors


So it shows that the idea is viable (presuming it's working out for them). I think there would be advantages of offering it as an in-game tool though, not least because I think the benefits would scale up as it became a more widely known and accepted system. Also the changes needed to bring the system inside the client would potentially allow for variations involving other careers and more flexible contract terms. Thanks for the link!
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#682 - 2012-06-21 03:21:16 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cascade Imminent Mining Pass

If you fill up the 50 member corp cap, that's like 10M isk a month per character for use of billions of ISK worth of infrastructure.


Of course the pass only sets you blue to FAILA, not any of FAILA's blues who also share that space. I love nullsec and their "we need more industrialists" line which is only ever fed out to troll industrialists for scams.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#683 - 2012-06-21 03:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Mara Rinn wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cascade Imminent Mining Pass

If you fill up the 50 member corp cap, that's like 10M isk a month per character for use of billions of ISK worth of infrastructure.


Of course the pass only sets you blue to FAILA, not any of FAILA's blues who also share that space. I love nullsec and their "we need more industrialists" line which is only ever fed out to troll industrialists for scams.

Hey Mara please tell me which alliances we "share space" with.

Spoiler: noone

Only thing disingenuous I see is your post.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#684 - 2012-06-21 03:33:14 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Hey Mara please tell me which alliances we "share space" with.


Does FAILA have no blues?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#685 - 2012-06-21 03:37:46 UTC
Quote:
Ratting of any sort is prohibited outside of belts and on gates. A 500 million isk penalty will be applied if this is breached.


That's rather lame.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#686 - 2012-06-21 03:40:39 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cascade Imminent Mining Pass

If you fill up the 50 member corp cap, that's like 10M isk a month per character for use of billions of ISK worth of infrastructure.

It's like smallholding, but a renter version.

Wow.

Hellz yeah

we are creating a diaspora from the hulkageddon oppressors


So it shows that the idea is viable (presuming it's working out for them). I think there would be advantages of offering it as an in-game tool though, not least because I think the benefits would scale up as it became a more widely known and accepted system. Also the changes needed to bring the system inside the client would potentially allow for variations involving other careers and more flexible contract terms. Thanks for the link!


well one metric to see if its working or not is check doltan over the next few weeks to see how many corps join CA then i would check to see if there is increased npc's killed in the day... whats the average true sec for that space cuss just belt ratting sucks if there are annoms and complexes to do...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#687 - 2012-06-21 03:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Mara Rinn wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Hey Mara please tell me which alliances we "share space" with.


Does FAILA have no blues?

Yes. You get your corp to join FAILA, and get their blues as well. FAILA's blue list is fairly well integrated with FAIL proper. Unless you specifically want an alliance separate from FAILA (which I wouldn't recommend for that reason, plus it costs more)

None of that means we 'share space' though.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#688 - 2012-06-21 03:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
MeBiatch wrote:
Quote:
Ratting of any sort is prohibited outside of belts and on gates. A 500 million isk penalty will be applied if this is breached.


That's rather lame.


Looks like a farming ground for FAILA blues, all the while FAILA itself rapes these renters for every nickle and dime with rent, super restricted zones and even taking them to the cleaners when they refine. And they come to the forums asking why no one wants to go to null and live under their yoke.

Any ideas that are presented that would give anyone a chance in null space without being a slave to them is immediately derailed and criticized with over used meme after over used meme.

I guess all that business about how mining in null was a waste of time because it was terrible was in fact, a load of bullshit. Looks like mining in null is just fine, according to that FAILA flyer. Blink
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#689 - 2012-06-21 03:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Yeah that 10M/month per member is pretty brutal, virtually slavery one might say.

Quote:
Looks like mining in null is just fine, according to that FAILA flyer.

10M isk per month per member for access to billions worth of infrastructure and the forum explodes in people crying that it's not worth the fee

Provin my points for me, Marlona.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#690 - 2012-06-21 03:53:30 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Quote:
Ratting of any sort is prohibited outside of belts and on gates. A 500 million isk penalty will be applied if this is breached.


That's rather lame.


Looks like a farming ground for FAILA blues, all the while FAILA itself rapes these renters for every nickle and dime with rent, super restricted zones and even taking them to the cleaners when they refine. And they come to the forums asking why no one wants to go to null and live under their yoke.

Any ideas that are presented that would give anyone a chance in null space without being a slave to them is immediately derailed and criticized with over used meme after over used meme.

I guess all that business about how mining in null was a waste of time because it was terrible was in fact, a load of bullshit. Looks like mining in null is just fine, according to that FAILA flyer. Blink



indeed look at this space you get for all your hard work... 500 mill a month eh?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#691 - 2012-06-21 03:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
MeBiatch wrote:

indeed look at this space you get for all your hard work... 500 mill a month eh?

you judge the mineability of grav sites by sec status?
damn, maybe you should pay the fee and hopefully learn something
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#692 - 2012-06-21 04:00:52 UTC
Break up OTEC/ Goons

or

give people a reason to fight each other en masse again

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#693 - 2012-06-21 04:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yeah that 10M/month per member is pretty brutal, virtually slavery one might say.

Quote:
Looks like mining in null is just fine, according to that FAILA flyer.

10M isk per month per member for access to billions worth of infrastructure and the forum explodes in people crying that it's not worth the fee

Provin my points for me, Marlona.



but is it just 10 mill per char?

if you add in costs of logistics and the fact you will have to refine in their stations... (they get a cut of your haul) all this for lousy -0.24 systems... it ends up being more then 10 mill per char... plus logi of refined ore is a hassle (think this is why they still have passive Targeters for trit) so you will more then likely end up just selling it in 0.0 for an other 20% decrease in profits... at this point you will make more money doing lev iv missions in high sec...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#694 - 2012-06-21 04:02:59 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

indeed look at this space you get for all your hard work... 500 mill a month eh?

you judge the mineability of grav sites by sec status?
damn, maybe you should pay the fee and hopefully learn something


no i am more fixated on the no annoms thing... why the hate for ratting?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#695 - 2012-06-21 04:08:18 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
but is it just 10 mill per char?

if you add in costs of logistics and the fact you will have to refine in their stations... (they get a cut of your haul) all this for lousy -0.24 systems... it ends up being more then 10 mill per char... plus logi of refined ore is a hassle (think this is why they still have passive Targeters for trit) so you will more then likely end up just selling it in 0.0 for an other 20% decrease in profits...
These are problems with 0.0 industry, something I brought up on back on, oh, page one.
Sec status is irrelevant as far as grav site quality goes.
Refining rate tax is low (5%).
Nothing is stopping you from shipping your refined mins back to Jita for sale, or setting up buy orders yourself (at say -15% Jita value), etc. and doing so.
It's pretty much the most lax and cheapest rental agreement I've ever seen.

But people still complain.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#696 - 2012-06-21 04:09:23 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
all this for lousy -0.24 systems...


So what you're saying is that Detorid sucks

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#697 - 2012-06-21 04:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
MeBiatch wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

indeed look at this space you get for all your hard work... 500 mill a month eh?

you judge the mineability of grav sites by sec status?
damn, maybe you should pay the fee and hopefully learn something


no i am more fixated on the no annoms thing... why the hate for ratting?

I'm guessing it's because heavy ratting spikes the API ticker for the system that it's highly active, which will bring down hostiles looking for kills. We want our miners/customers as productive and happy as they can be.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#698 - 2012-06-21 04:11:32 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I'm guessing it's because heavy ratting spikes the API ticker for the system that it's highly active, which will bring down hostiles looking for kills. We want our miners/customers as productive and happy as they can be.


guess what happens when you regularly clean out a ton of grav sites in a system

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#699 - 2012-06-21 04:11:35 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i also enjoy that morons keep thinking "moon moving" would nerf goonswarm

i have news for you guys, guess who the only alliance is that has enough bodies to throw at the problem



This kind of crap is a large part of the problem. Screw null. You brainiacs made the problem now enjoy the mess you've made.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#700 - 2012-06-21 04:15:46 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i also enjoy that morons keep thinking "moon moving" would nerf goonswarm

i have news for you guys, guess who the only alliance is that has enough bodies to throw at the problem



This kind of crap is a large part of the problem. Screw null. You brainiacs made the problem now enjoy the mess you've made.

It's our fault NPC corps exist for jump freightering and nullsec mechanics rule out manufacturing development?