EVE General Discussion

I don't know that people are terrified, what with it being a game and all. I mean, have you ever played a game called Thief:Deadly Shadows? Sucked for the most part, but The Cradle - that level was some scary ****. I'm guessing that when people have their hulks blown up, there's more pissed-offness involved than actual terror.

Anyway, whatever your reasons are, if it's having the effect you want then hey, have fun. I'm off to listen to that Weaselior guy instead, he's saying some more interesting stuff ;P

Imagine this scenario:
a) You're in nullsec, and you have to look at local all the time, and you make 60-70m/hour. You can expect to get ganked at least once in a while because you didn't pay close enough attention to local.
b) You're in hisec, and you can do L4s and barely pay attention to the client past telling it to shoot the next rat, and make 40m/hour or so.

What do you think happens?

I would actually go a little further than this. As a High Sec mission runner I actually feel that I, in fact, make a lot of ISK for grinding missions over and over. it's isn't a ton but enough not to quit doing it.

The risk in ganking me is a CONCORD response but how much am I paying in taxes to live with 5-0 in my system?

Nothing.

I might suggest a tax imposed on systems where CONCORD has a presence. Perhaps a tax that corporations have to pay or it could be assessed on an individual basis. It is just an idea and needs some fleshing out but I think that is reasonable. My taxes IRL are used to pay police, miltary, and other programs. Why am I not paying taxes for CONCORD - how else are CHiPs in Space going to get paid?

On the subject of jump bridges/capital bridges. I could care less about SOV holding alliances jumping fleets all over null sec. They have worked hard and I can see why not being able to do that for day to day operations and logistics would be a nightmare. But limit the range of it to anywhere within Null. I think that if large alliances are actually gate jumping through low sec on their way to High Sec market hubs you create an environment where small scale PvP can occur. I may be mistaken and if so please let me know.

On the subject of null industry. It makes absolutely no ****ing sense to me why Null Sec Alliances should be penalized for putting up infrastructure for refining and manufacturing. I think slots should scale with refining and manufacturing efficiency. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't there varying levels of sov? Like Sov Level 1-5? The higher Sov level the more slots and less waste with L5 being comparable to High Sec stations. Not sure how many slots your manufacturing or research addons provide but how many do you think would be appropriate. I am not sure an alliance would need as many as a high sec Empire station.


These are my thoughts as of page 28-ish. I am thrilled at a lot of the engaging discussion and hope it can continue. I have seen a lot of douchbaggery as well including some edited post and would again encourage everyone to keep this discussion constructive. We all play the same game regardless of how we choose to play. None of us is an island.

How many hours do I have?

Whatever passes for "normal time" in your neck of the woods.

Sorry, I'm less than impressed by "lets make the alternative suck so we can have more low level targets" as an important discussion.

And that's been the point all along.

I refer you to the now 10s of pages where we discuss the importance of changing Null Sec Industry to promote a more active Industrial Core thus fueling the "Farms and Fields" mentality. The thought process behind nerfing L4s is to make NullSec pilots come back to Null to make their ISK, rather than the extremely easy process of setting up a L4 alt and just letting the cash roll in with no PvP environment being fostered.

It's a shame that this isn't on page 1.

That's not your problem. 70-80% of null doesn't even have tech moons. The problem is the reason why you don't want to move to any of the non-tech space.

Now I've argued on the Jita Speakers Forum that sov levels should move from just million+ EHP structures and time to include level of activity within the system as a factor for military sov ie: the less used a system is, the easier it is to take, maybe the resists of the TCU drop even. Add planetary control (DUST mercs) and POCO holding as factors as well, and do away with sov bills in exchange for this increase in maintenance. Roaming gangs, cloakers and DUST merc contracts could significantly soften up a target system (system could no longer support cynojammers, jump bridges) before even having to shoot a single structure.

Its your thread... You could even post highlight pages.