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[ISSUE] Level 5's no longer balanced in regards to risk vs. reward.
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Price McCheckington
Kicked.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2012-06-20 19:18:34 UTC
With the new FW changes, prices for LP store items have dropped massively. (As was to be expected with a 50% discount on the Minmatar front.)
While this on its own is fantastic, I fear it has impacted level 5 missions in a very bad way.
With the dropped prices, running a level 5 missions now gets you about 20M including everything, for which you have to risk a carrier, while a faction warfare mission nets you WAY more for only risking a bomber.

A simple fix to this would be to have two different LP stores; one for faction warfare, one for normal missions.
That way normal missions get their normal risk vs. reward ratio back, which I feel was fine before the patch. (50M or so per mission for risking your capital)

So to all my fellow bears out there: Please help me poke CCP about this!
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-06-20 20:18:51 UTC
Doesn't FW already have a separate LP store?
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#3 - 2012-06-20 23:27:06 UTC
You don't have to use a carrier to run a L5. You're doing it wrong.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#4 - 2012-06-21 00:06:39 UTC
Price McCheckington wrote:
With the new FW changes, prices for LP store items have dropped massively. (As was to be expected with a 50% discount on the Minmatar front.)
While this on its own is fantastic, I fear it has impacted level 5 missions in a very bad way.
With the dropped prices, running a level 5 missions now gets you about 20M including everything, for which you have to risk a carrier, while a faction warfare mission nets you WAY more for only risking a bomber.

A simple fix to this would be to have two different LP stores; one for faction warfare, one for normal missions.
That way normal missions get their normal risk vs. reward ratio back, which I feel was fine before the patch. (50M or so per mission for risking your capital)

So to all my fellow bears out there: Please help me poke CCP about this!



Actually, I think the imbalance is level four's....

Also, your simple fix doesn't make sense to me... can you elaborate... You want two LP stores with different pricing?? So the isk to LP conversion you earn from "Normal missions" is worth more than the isk to LP conversion you earn for FW?? I'm confused!!

Remember, faction warfare participants make themselves a target to a large portion of the EvE community, essentially giving up on ever having a "safe haven" like highsec, while most mission runenrs hide behind concord!!! You should reward people for taking part in risky behaviors.... I have no qualms about improving LvL 5 payouts, as their in lowsec... but whatever your suggesting shoud in NO WAY give a boost to highsec mission runners!!!!

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-21 04:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Price McCheckington wrote:
With the new FW changes, prices for LP store items have dropped massively. (As was to be expected with a 50% discount on the Minmatar front.)
While this on its own is fantastic, I fear it has impacted level 5 missions in a very bad way.
With the dropped prices, running a level 5 missions now gets you about 20M including everything, for which you have to risk a carrier, while a faction warfare mission nets you WAY more for only risking a bomber.

A simple fix to this would be to have two different LP stores; one for faction warfare, one for normal missions.
That way normal missions get their normal risk vs. reward ratio back, which I feel was fine before the patch. (50M or so per mission for risking your capital)

So to all my fellow bears out there: Please help me poke CCP about this!



Actually, I think the imbalance is level four's....

Also, your simple fix doesn't make sense to me... can you elaborate... You want two LP stores with different pricing?? So the isk to LP conversion you earn from "Normal missions" is worth more than the isk to LP conversion you earn for FW?? I'm confused!!

Remember, faction warfare participants make themselves a target to a large portion of the EvE community, essentially giving up on ever having a "safe haven" like highsec, while most mission runenrs hide behind concord!!! You should reward people for taking part in risky behaviors.... I have no qualms about improving LvL 5 payouts, as their in lowsec... but whatever your suggesting shoud in NO WAY give a boost to highsec mission runners!!!!



Actually, FW farmers risk a cloaked SB, in a area without bubbles... You'd have to be stupid to be exposed to any risk at all. The [very small] chance of a normal missioner getting suicide ganked in highsec is actually higher than a nonstupid FW farmer losing his SB.Lol
Price McCheckington
Kicked.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-07-25 12:59:08 UTC
Sadly this is still the case...
Being able to buy implants for 16M and 16k LP versus the 80M and 80k LP normal missioners have to pay is in no way balanced. You could sell at 80M, still make a profit and make it completely impossible for non-FW missioners to make money.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2012-07-26 17:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
I think it was CCPs intention to cause massive upheaval in the mission running LP markets.

Edit: FW has some items that are unique to it, but is the same for the most part with other faction items (like ammo, etc...).
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-07-27 22:10:50 UTC
rewards for PVP, and making FW a viable place to be farming playing, problem?
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#9 - 2012-07-28 17:54:43 UTC
L5s, and missions in general, need a revamp. There never has been a thoughtful planning of missions and agents are randomly placed throughout New Eden. Incursions and the agent quality changes caused an unmanaged LP and ISK influx.

Mission runners are not the problem, but things have been changed that have caused adverse reactions.

Note: Incursion payouts have been dropped down a bit, so CCP has acted on the problem.
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#10 - 2012-07-28 18:24:52 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
rewards for PVP, and making FW a viable place to be farming playing, problem?


because that's what actually happens, right?

also... silly people flying carriers in lvl 5s.

if there was gonna be any change, i'd want to be lower the chances of getting missions against empire factions. i like being able to go thru empire space just fine, tyvm.