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Making nullsec vibrant again

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#601 - 2012-06-20 23:57:36 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:

That's a pretty interesting idea. But in real life, an ecosystem works because once the alpha predator dies, it becomes food for others. I don't see an equivalent for that in Eve or even a real equivalent to scavengers living off the kills of the alpha predators (I guess some kinda protected salvage ships would be it).

the alpha predator is a bigger and better fleet, there's always a bigger fleet. however in eve, the bigger the fleet the slower it is (if it wants to maintain cohesion) so a smaller fleet can outrun it and go gank something else

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#602 - 2012-06-20 23:58:08 UTC
Adelphie wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
So in addition to being bad at PvP you are also socially challenged and unable to join large fleets.

Changing EvE to suit your limits is not a good idea, you might be better off in WoW or a single player game as you seem to have a solo focus.



I think you're missing the point of the post (perhaps deliberately, but I'll bite anyway). People need a reason to fight, and attacking the weak-links (e.g. lone ratters or miners) provokes defense fleets to get real fights. This has been the cornerstone of pvp for a long time, and to say otherwise is bordering on ignorant.


^ A more polite response.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#603 - 2012-06-20 23:58:21 UTC
Oh - and on the stealing moongoo idea - I proposed that a lot during recent years as that is what I want to do: Current established nullsec alliances are established empires for the most part - kinda like states.

I don't want to hold space and be a farmer, I want to raid and **** the current farmers - unfortunatley, there's nothing except popping a ratter every now and then - everything else is protected by EHP and timers, so the blob has plenty of time to ove in.

Enable me to raid Lindisfarne and I'll be all around again. IT's funny how a game made by probable descendants of Vikings is all supportive of a blob of peasants rather than raiders.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#604 - 2012-06-20 23:58:24 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Your ship carries limited ammo and has limited capacity, once deep in null if your not part of the local alliance or a pet, most players don't want to keep doing that trek into and out of 0.0 every night (or when ever you play). That's probably more of a bar than anything else.

fly amarr

presto problem solved


Good answer what about hold capacity though you don't want to gimp your ship with cargo extenders ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#605 - 2012-06-21 00:00:43 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Your ship carries limited ammo and has limited capacity, once deep in null if your not part of the local alliance or a pet, most players don't want to keep doing that trek into and out of 0.0 every night (or when ever you play). That's probably more of a bar than anything else.

fly amarr

presto problem solved


Good answer what about hold capacity though you don't want to gimp your ship with cargo extenders ?

1) 2nd char working as a fuel truck.
2) Don't give a **** about whatever it is you're stuffing your hold with and leave it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#606 - 2012-06-21 00:02:37 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:

So in addition to being bad at PvP you are also socially challenged and unable to join large fleets.

Changing EvE to suit your limits is not a good idea, you might be better off in WoW or a single player game as you seem to have a solo focus.


i have caused orders of magnitude more suffering without undocking than you've caused in your entire eve career

happy hunting!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#607 - 2012-06-21 00:02:45 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Oh - and on the stealing moongoo idea - I proposed that a lot during recent years as that is what I want to do: Current established nullsec alliances are established empires for the most part - kinda like states.

I don't want to hold space and be a farmer, I want to raid and **** the current farmers - unfortunatley, there's nothing except popping a ratter every now and then - everything else is protected by EHP and timers, so the blob has plenty of time to ove in.

Enable me to raid Lindisfarne and I'll be all around again. IT's funny how a game made by probable descendants of Vikings is all supportive of a blob of peasants rather than raiders.


Thinking back - It was a thread made by you where I saw the moon goo stealing idea. Props.

I like the farm analogy - The problem is that CCP sometimes think take it too literally, and think that to make a field more fertile you have to spread it with ****.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#608 - 2012-06-21 00:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Your ship carries limited ammo and has limited capacity, once deep in null if your not part of the local alliance or a pet, most players don't want to keep doing that trek into and out of 0.0 every night (or when ever you play). That's probably more of a bar than anything else.

fly amarr

presto problem solved


Good answer what about hold capacity though you don't want to gimp your ship with cargo extenders ?

what are you putting in this hold? the only loot worth taking is insanely high isk/m3 (faction/deadspace mods, t2 salvage) so by the time you fill up you should be getting back to safety asap to cash in

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#609 - 2012-06-21 00:03:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
[quote=Talon SilverHawk]Your ship carries limited ammo and has limited capacity, once deep in null if your not part of the local alliance or a pet, most players don't want to keep doing that trek into and out of 0.0 every night (or when ever you play). That's probably more of a bar than anything else.

fly amarr

presto problem solved


Good answer what about hold capacity though you don't want to gimp your ship with cargo extenders ?



If this is the playstyle you are after then npc null lets you dock and even has a market. Venal is particularly fun.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#610 - 2012-06-21 00:04:25 UTC
Adelphie wrote:
Thinking back - It was a thread made by you where I saw the moon goo stealing idea. Props.

I like the farm analogy - The problem is that CCP sometimes think take it too literally, and think that to make a field more fertile you have to spread it with ****.


I expect a fancy EVE banner or T-shirt with this on it within the hour.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#611 - 2012-06-21 00:05:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Repeat after me.

You cant force players into areas they don't want to go, nerfing hi sec isn't the answer (not if they want to keep players). Making low and null more enticing is, then everybody wins.

Tal


more ignorant bleeting that ignores reality
the career highseccer, petrified of loss, is not the target of a l4 nerf: it is the l4 alt of a 0.0 player


So your objective is to restrict income for people who do missions in high sec to finance their nullsec lives.

You wouldn't be sitting on another major income source, would you?

Would that all motives were so blatant.
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#612 - 2012-06-21 00:06:17 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Adelphie wrote:
Thinking back - It was a thread made by you where I saw the moon goo stealing idea. Props.

I like the farm analogy - The problem is that CCP sometimes think take it too literally, and think that to make a field more fertile you have to spread it with ****.


I expect a fancy EVE banner or T-shirt with this on it within the hour.


I'll license it for 100m a pop. That will fund my pew for a while.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#613 - 2012-06-21 00:06:51 UTC
Malphilos wrote:

So your objective is to restrict income for people who do missions in high sec to finance their nullsec lives.

You wouldn't be sitting on another major income source, would you?

Would that all motives were so blatant.

i've openly and repeatedly advocated for a technetium nerf

my goal is for people to finance their nullsec lives where they live: nullsec

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#614 - 2012-06-21 00:08:15 UTC
Aryth wrote:

Because it is economic terrorism. The whole point is to inflict terror and market changes. Yes, it is a punch to the balls, that is what makes it effective. Welcome to the new EVE. Gameplay has evolved to include null sec alliances waging market warfare at the galaxy wide scale. Dead miners are the means to an end.

Hopefully CCP doesn't go too far trying to squash this type of gameplay. I don't think we have tested the limits of it quite yet.

Honestly, this is what I thought Eve was about the first time I tried it, years and years ago. It's cool to see the game finally starting to live up to its potential.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#615 - 2012-06-21 00:08:59 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Repeat after me.

You cant force players into areas they don't want to go, nerfing hi sec isn't the answer (not if they want to keep players). Making low and null more enticing is, then everybody wins.

Tal


more ignorant bleeting that ignores reality
the career highseccer, petrified of loss, is not the target of a l4 nerf: it is the l4 alt of a 0.0 player


So your objective is to restrict income for people who do missions in high sec to finance their nullsec lives.

You wouldn't be sitting on another major income source, would you?

Would that all motives were so blatant.


The objective is to balance risk vs reward. Nullsec income should be the desired income source if you have access to it. Not rolling an alt to farm in high-sec for money because it is as good as ISK as many things in null sec.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#616 - 2012-06-21 00:09:00 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
So your objective is to restrict income for people who do missions in high sec to finance their nullsec lives.

You wouldn't be sitting on another major income source, would you?

Would that all motives were so blatant.

If you're referring to technetium, then maybe you should look back to before it was even implemented to see how everyone (except CCP) were telling them they were being bumblefucks.

But hey, I have a tinfoil hat BPO, it's well researched so I can sell you a tinfoil hat for cheap!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#617 - 2012-06-21 00:09:05 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Serious non trolling question for you,

Your ship carries limited ammo and has limited capacity, once deep in null if your not part of the local alliance or a pet, most players don't want to keep doing that trek into and out of 0.0 every night (or when ever you play). That's probably more of a bar than anything else.

Being chased around 0.0 by players and those sorts of risks aren't really an issue (actualy makes it fun), Running bottle neck gate camps (regularly) isn't.

What's a way around that ?


Live in NPC null. It's everywhere. It's not some corner of nullsec that's cordoned off - it's smack in the middle of sov nullsec. Black Frog in a bunch of ships (or blue prints and a bunch of minerals), start getting income from the local rats one way or another, try to avoid going back to empire except by jump clone, and make shorter roams.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#618 - 2012-06-21 00:09:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:


my goal is for people to finance their nullsec lives where they live: nullsec


Without getting into why that matters to you: You're not able to do that?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#619 - 2012-06-21 00:11:19 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Weaselior wrote:


my goal is for people to finance their nullsec lives where they live: nullsec


Without getting into why that matters to you: You're not able to do that?



why it matters to me is critically important and has been posted in this very thread in the last few pages

i have elaborated on all relevant points feel free to quote the ones you disagree with or do not understand

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#620 - 2012-06-21 00:11:39 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Weaselior wrote:


my goal is for people to finance their nullsec lives where they live: nullsec


Without getting into why that matters to you: You're not able to do that?




Many people are, but an equal number use empire for all their purchasing, and even lvl4 alts.