EVE General Discussion

Oh yes it is.


Yes, let's take your words at face value, especially after you've gone from "you use the JBs to go 40 jumps and back again for a single tower" to "you use the JBs to freighter in ships to forward staging systems" to "JBs enable a way too quick home defense fleet response" within a few hours as your talking points were shot down, one by one.

Repeat after me.

You cant force players into areas they don't want to go, nerfing hi sec isn't the answer (not if they want to keep players). Making low and null more enticing is, then everybody wins.

Tal

more ignorant bleeting that ignores reality
the career highseccer, petrified of loss, is not the target of a l4 nerf: it is the l4 alt of a 0.0 player

Nope - they were ridiculously disagreed with but not shot down.

Moving large fleets and logistics over the vast expanse of space should take coordination and be a pain in the ass.
Removing/nerfing jump bridges is one way of accomplishing part of this.

Doing so I think will reduce mega blocs that we have today as anyone wanting pvp in null will not want to blue up all their neighbours as jumping 30 jumps for pew pew quickly becomes old.

The fact that you are not able to have a reasonable conversation about it is your loss not mine.

This is a bit "out there", but it's my impression that the impact is not proportional 1:1, as in a doubling of nullsec income would have less impact than a halving of hisec income, even though the impact on relative income is nominally the same. This would the dampening effect of the "risk" factor.

Therefore, it's my impression that you get far more bang for your buck by reducing hisec income, which is then also easier on the macroeconomic issues that have reared their heads over the last half year.

Personally I actually think it's a moot point, as you won't see a level 4 nerf. I'm in the camp for making nullsec more interesting and more of a natural progression by other means than strictly solo grind risk/reward balances.

I have a knowledge of nullsec which is slightly different to a large proportion of the population in that I've been part of the whole alliance leadership side, but have focused on non-sov holding nullsec pvp for quite a long time.

I think this thread indicates that there are a lot of perceived dangers of nullsec, which aren't always true, however the fact that people perceive them as being a large risk is a problem in itself.

The jump-bridge discussion is an interesting one - and as Riedle's corp-mate I can see where he is coming from.

The area of space we live in is relatively quiet, however has a decent (and hostile) jump-bridge network, which the local inhabitants use to good effect. Some of the numbers banded around are slight exaggerations, but the testament holds true - jump bridge networks provide a barrier to entry for small gang pvp, as fleets can be on top of you from staging systems very quickly.

Now it is arguable that this is fair, as the sov holders have earned the right to have these jump-bridges, however the perceived threat of not knowing if you are going to be jumped is enough to put people off traveling to these areas for risk of being ganked by an unexpected blob. But this again is another barrier to entry for people coming in and exploring what null has to offer.

Simple solution is to increase highsec taxes. People who want to play with the lower risk that comes from concord, faction police and sentry guns should be paying for it. There should be _no_ tax-free refining or trading in a stations guarded by police bots, and highsec customs offices should have a base tax rate above Interbus offices ones in riskier areas.

The obvious problem with inflation in this game is that no one is really paying the NPCs for the services they provide. Those feature rich NPC stations should have fees to match. Those concord owned and concord protected customs offices should have higher taxes than the Interbus ones that have no protection and can be shot down.

Oh, really?


So we're back to large fleets all of a sudden, not just home defense fleets again? Okay.

We have people with JFs who seed a forward staging station. We run convoy ops, often while using titans. JBs play a very small part of this. I know this, since I've been in the wars GSF have been in since we were in delve, to we took over deklein and started the expansion all the way down to (and to a certain extent including) delve, back up to and including tenal.

What large wars have you been in? How much of these wars' logistics have you partaken in or even witnessed?


Yes, I shall jump onto my warsteed in VFK and jump all the way down to Delve and back again, every day, because we're too dumb to setup a forward staging area.

(Hint: you're wrong. You've been wrong since you entered the discussion, and I have shot down literally every single talking point you've made so far. Dunked.)

Easy access to null is a reoccurring theme.

Would more wormholes directly from empire to null be a good solution?

If people are too scared to take the plunge to Null I don't foresee them being any braver in taking WHs. I don't think its so much a logistical issue as it is a perception issue.