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Nitalya
Peoples Liberation Army
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2012-06-20 21:57:33 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:


I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.

If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.

The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.

As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.

I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either.


its a shame the rest of your corp cant be as honest and straight forward about it... you guys blue who you want its a game no one has issue with that..

just dont expect us not to shoot you when you show up on the field with our enemy. my corp/alliance makes it an effort NOT to shoot any amarr militia members unless they shoot first with one exception and thats WBR not because we dont like you guys wich im sure plenty dont. but because we cant trust that your cyno is in the best intrests of our militia.

to put it bluntly if you show up on the field and we are shooting galls because your deal with sotf and they are in most fleets you will be killed without any hesitation unless your leadership gives us warning and garantee you wont assist our enemy. and even then with your history it should be the fcs call on if he trust you enough to take you all at your word.

either way im looking forward to some good fights and im sure this will happen again. us humans love repeating actions hopeing for differnt outcomes.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#122 - 2012-06-20 21:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Kuehnelt wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! Cry


It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!".

But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be.


Missioning is beanth my minnie alts, the reason FG is pissed about people saying we use alts to take Amarr systems is because we don't. Isn't that clear? People shouldn't be allowed to complain we don't plex, while at the same time bitching we plex for the other team. Both are boring, though my Amarr toon did get a nice 2 on 1 Victory in a minor the other day. Wasn't even in Kamela, was in Anka a whole 2 jumps away. I was proud, and got lost on the way home but still good times.

Just to make it clear, and maybe **** off my own corp and militia, but whatever. What we and many others do is, use minnie alts to open and run missions to farm the better LP. That is those that mission. Trust me, the moment Amarr LP is even remotely close to being worthwhile, every W-BR guy will stop, because they like Navy Geddons a lot more then fleet phoons and pest.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#123 - 2012-06-20 22:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Nitalya wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:


I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.

If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.

The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.

As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.

I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either.


its a shame the rest of your corp cant be as honest and straight forward about it... you guys blue who you want its a game no one has issue with that..

just dont expect us not to shoot you when you show up on the field with our enemy. my corp/alliance makes it an effort NOT to shoot any amarr militia members unless they shoot first with one exception and thats WBR not because we dont like you guys wich im sure plenty dont. but because we cant trust that your cyno is in the best intrests of our militia.

to put it bluntly if you show up on the field and we are shooting galls because your deal with sotf and they are in most fleets you will be killed without any hesitation unless your leadership gives us warning and garantee you wont assist our enemy. and even then with your history it should be the fcs call on if he trust you enough to take you all at your word.

either way im looking forward to some good fights and im sure this will happen again. us humans love repeating actions hopeing for differnt outcomes.


I expect everyone not in my fleet to shoot me. We live in Lowsec.

Edit, for the magic I button.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Nitalya
Peoples Liberation Army
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2012-06-20 22:07:57 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:

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I expect everyone not in my fleet to shoot me. We live in Lowsec.


we are nbsi.. with 2 simple rules dont shoot caldari or amarr militia members unless you have too.

i actualy prefer the amarr minmitar front but there is too much infighting and bs in the amarr militia to make it enjoyable.
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#125 - 2012-06-20 23:25:52 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! Cry


It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!".

But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be.

I'd put my isk on they're laughing. It's a game. Why so serious?


This man gets it!

we enjoy these kind of threads (especially when our actions created them)

drama / emo and politics is at least 50% of the fun in this game. Some would do well to realise that.
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#126 - 2012-06-20 23:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekitha
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
So, before I hit the bed, just one more question.

Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly? Lol


it was pretty straight forward really.

Snuff RFed our poco
We know snuff have supers and multiple caps
we formed a fleet to have some pew vs snuff caps and supers
snuff showed up in machs :(
we put some pantheon on the poco
snuff delayed for a considerable length of time (45 minutes ish) obviously forming something extra

*I had to log off at this point :(

the fight kicked off
some caldari showed up with the kitchen sink
a little scrap was had
we failed to tackle supers (again, we'll get this right one day!)
some derpage with cyno's on our part
2 dreads died due to their own silly derps (one couldnt work out how to cyno out /o\ ... the other forgot to seige red when told /o\ (I guess those guys learned to fly their dreads the expensive way)

the fight ended


thats pretty much it.
Pulgy
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-06-21 00:24:22 UTC
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to whore on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.
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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#128 - 2012-06-21 01:38:19 UTC
Pulgy wrote:
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.


ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.

to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#129 - 2012-06-21 01:47:03 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Pulgy wrote:
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.


ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.

to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS


I'm sorry, what exactly are the caldari winning? ... system occupancy?

how is that even remotely winning for anyhting other than RP purposes, any1 who makes their isk from FW already has alts in minmatar militia getting rich.

So no, the caldari really arent winnning anything, at least until their LP is worth something.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#130 - 2012-06-21 02:16:11 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Pulgy wrote:
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.


ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.

to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS

LOL the Gallente care about system occupancy?
Let's not kid ourselves here.
The Gallente care about fights, isk, and LP. Nothing more.
Why do you think a lot of Gallente swapped over to the Minmatar? They can't capture the Caldari systems anymore... but they can plex them for *gasp* LP.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#131 - 2012-06-21 03:15:15 UTC
SOTF and WBR: bringing the nullsec bropact faggotry to FW that I left nullsec to get away from. Thanks a bundle.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#132 - 2012-06-21 04:34:31 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Pulgy wrote:
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.


ya no whats funny. caldari are winning the war against the gallente.

to my knowledge, WITHOUT CAPS

LOL the Gallente care about system occupancy?
Let's not kid ourselves here.
The Gallente care about fights, isk, and LP. Nothing more.
Why do you think a lot of Gallente swapped over to the Minmatar? They can't capture the Caldari systems anymore... but they can plex them for *gasp* LP.


You all care about system occupancy when you are winning.

Strange how it matters, doesn't matter, matters, doesn't matter etc etc depending on the situation.

I can tell you why the Gallente swapped over.
They could see that in 3-4 weeks they would be in a near unrecoverable position and instead of having the balls to admit they were losing - they switched to a winning side so they could pretend they hadn't lost their own space.

Stop kidding yourselves that it was for any other reason.
When a ship is sinking - the rats and insects always bail out 1st.

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marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#133 - 2012-06-21 04:58:57 UTC
The amount of RP/ingame RULES qq in this thread is approachign the level of uttery faggotry that the Minnie tears thread did. I wish WBR would come around and trick you mouthbreathing animals into fights more often. Also glad you need SNUFFD to get anything done. I noticed ALOT of bragging about "taking down a Gallente capital fleet" then saw that no squids really were required. Good job showing up to a fight that had no risk lol.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#134 - 2012-06-21 05:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadow Adanza
IbanezLaney wrote:


You all care about system occupancy when you are winning.

Strange how it matters, doesn't matter, matters, doesn't matter etc etc depending on the situation.

I can tell you why the Gallente swapped over.
They could see that in 3-4 weeks they would be in a near unrecoverable position and instead of having the balls to admit they were losing - they switched to a winning side so they could pretend they hadn't lost their own space.

Stop kidding yourselves that it was for any other reason.
When a ship is sinking - the rats and insects always bail out 1st.

Haha. The majority of Gallente hasn't cared about occupancy for the 4 months I've been in Faction War. In fact, when have you ever seen members of CMEVE (apart from JAF) out plexing trying to flip or keep a system? You haven't. Our boys are out there for LP, just like the majority of Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar militia. (Not sure about the Amarr, they're probably getting theirs on the Minny side, too.) Heck, even with the LP rewards, I STILL don't plex often. I hate it. It's boring as hell.

I find it amusing that you attack the Gallente for what they're doing, when really you're riding on the backs of people who are doing the same thing. You think most of the systems are getting plexed by Caldari who care about system occupancy? Nope. They're getting plexed by people who want that sweet sweet LP. And then, the roleplaying Caldari members, like yourself, swoop in and crack the bunker and then take all the credit for it.

You have this weird notion in your head that everyone participates in this roleplay just as you do and truly cares about this game... I hate to be the one to break it to you, but they don't.

Edit: I've also never heard the Gallente (other than our role players) take a serious tone when talking about busting a bunker. It's been "LOL guys, Tama's vulnerable... let's go bust it just to **** the squids off." And so we do.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Frosteele
0V3RM1ND
0V3RM1ND DARKSTAR
#135 - 2012-06-21 06:38:04 UTC
There is no spoon
Liquid Shock
Quantum Shenanigans
#136 - 2012-06-21 07:01:42 UTC
Gunthar X wrote:
...the enemy of my friend is my BFF...


LOL. This made my day! That is all.

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#137 - 2012-06-21 07:26:28 UTC
Liquid Shock wrote:
Gunthar X wrote:
...the enemy of my friend is my BFF...


LOL. This made my day! That is all.


This is eve, If you don't like the rules change them.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#138 - 2012-06-21 10:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Pulgy wrote:
I find it amusing how the Caldari are chest beating on their glorious victory and how awesome they are, when in fact this was purely a Snuff/OFF - SoTF/WBR/SC fight Roll . You were there to ***** on cap kills as usual :)
Make a thread when you put your own capital ships on the line.



I find it funny that you guys keep bringing up this it was "OUR" fight non-sense.. I seem to remember a few months back when Caldari and the Russians attacked Snuff's POS in Suj, SoTF tried to make a appearance and a neutral cyno fitted Abaddon warped on grid with them and died in about 2 seconds to the Maelstrom Alpha fleet.

The Abaddon was a ex W-BR member and because it died so fast SoTF quickly withdrew their gang making it obvious it was with you guys. I pretty much always figured that was a Wolfbrigrade Cyno ship that was planning to cyno in W-BR caps to assist SoTF while butting into a Caldri/Russians vs Snuff fight.

Funny it was ok for you guys to "try" and interfere in a fight then, but it's not ok for us to do the same with out you getting butt hurt. It seems the sandbox excuse, is only good when it fits your personal interests, but for anyone else it's not viable reason.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#139 - 2012-06-21 10:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Markius TheShed
Great thread Big smile

I'm sure all of minnie militia are enjoying it as much as I am. Damar certainly has Sh*t Stiring trained to V

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Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#140 - 2012-06-21 11:05:24 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
The amount of RP/ingame RULES qq in this thread is approachign the level of uttery faggotry that the Minnie tears thread did. I wish WBR would come around and trick you mouthbreathing animals into fights more often. Also glad you need SNUFFD to get anything done. I noticed ALOT of bragging about "taking down a Gallente capital fleet" then saw that no squids really were required. Good job showing up to a fight that had no risk lol.

It's really not to much to ask that people pick a team. It's not difficult.. Gallente and Minmatar vs Caldari and Amarr, and if you've got butt buddies you just absolutely cannot part with, you go hang with them. There's a whole nullsec world of bropacts and never-ending blue lists, it'd be nice if the people who want to play this way would go play with the rest of the people who want this, and leave those of us who enjoy a somewhat more well-defined conflict alone.