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Making nullsec vibrant again

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#461 - 2012-06-20 21:30:42 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.


So move to a wormhole? I mean, it's just like nullsec, only without local, right!? Roll

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Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#462 - 2012-06-20 21:31:33 UTC
I leave work and then this happens.

Man and I had hopes for the discussions in this thread.

Damn Jump Bridges, ruining our discussion. We should nerf those.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#463 - 2012-06-20 21:33:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.


So move to a wormhole? I mean, it's just like nullsec, only without local, right!? Roll


I forgot that nullsec needs to be safe. Roll

No trolling please
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#464 - 2012-06-20 21:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Bane Nucleus wrote:
I forgot that nullsec needs to be safe. Roll


How does local make nullsec safe?

I mean really the only wormholers who would ever say that nullsec needs delayed local without extensive changes to other mechanics is either j4isk or a troll.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#465 - 2012-06-20 21:35:19 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Changing mechanics to entirely favor one side is stupid.


Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.

I shall have local nerfed so cloaked ships can run around with impunity, and people trying to actually live, mine and rat in nullsec must spend literally all their gaming time glaring at the dscanner (which must be run constantly and put extra prosessing pressure on the nodes, this'll be fun in 1000+ engagements, as if we don't see enough tidi as it is) so they can have 4-6 seconds of response time instead of today's 15-30.

Brilliant. Let's do this. It'll make nullsec totally vibrant and alive again, and PVPers won't ever whine about how nullsec is empty, ever again.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#466 - 2012-06-20 21:37:22 UTC
Alright let's pick the next topic, is it afk cloakers or delayed local or both?

And yes, we've actually had some decent discussions/talking-points... gonna see how long I can keep that going.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#467 - 2012-06-20 21:37:23 UTC
Oh, that is except for the fact nullsec will be even less populated than it is now. Whoopsie. Oh well, at least them nullbears won't have safety anymore, and whole alliances will lose swathes of space and eve is finally hardcore again :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#468 - 2012-06-20 21:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.


So move to a wormhole? I mean, it's just like nullsec, only without local, right!? Roll


I forgot that nullsec needs to be safe. Roll

safe like collapsing hostile wormholes when you're trying to rat?

because we don't need it to be that safe, that's just overkill tbh
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#469 - 2012-06-20 21:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Why yes I want to camp cyno beacons with absolute impunity and zero risk of detection and a substantially reduced risk of being baited

Not that I'd end up getting any kills because nobody would ever use cyno beacons ever except the same idiots who jump blind right now

I also want to warp a cloaked bomber around a system, looking for a target with impunity and not having to launch a single probe (like I would in a wormhole) and the only intel gathering needed being a quick look at the map for NPC kills

WH dwellers lol

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#470 - 2012-06-20 21:38:56 UTC
Oh wait, I forgot that alliances don't lose space based on a cloaked roaming gang, but on how many they can bring to bear against multi-million HP structures which never move. Silly me.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#471 - 2012-06-20 21:39:09 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:


How does local make nullsec safe?



Seriously???

No trolling please
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#472 - 2012-06-20 21:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:


How does local make nullsec safe?



Seriously???


Answer the question.

Hint: I already know what your answer is going to be, I'm just leading you to water, not that you'd drink anyway

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2012-06-20 21:39:38 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Seriously???

Nullsec isn't safe.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#474 - 2012-06-20 21:39:57 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Changing mechanics to entirely favor one side is stupid.


Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.

it favors raiders over ratters/miners and is a flat nerf to moneymaking in 0.0

given how poorly these pay compared to other activities it will lead to more l4 mission running alts, not more ratters being ganked

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#475 - 2012-06-20 21:40:54 UTC
if you want to remove local you have to pair it with activities that are as profitable as wormhole activities to encourage people to be there to gank

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#476 - 2012-06-20 21:42:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
if you want to remove local you have to pair it with activities that are as profitable as wormhole activities to encourage people to be there to gank


and it might as well require probing, the removal of asteroid belts and 100% scan signatures

might as well, heh, live in a wormhole

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#477 - 2012-06-20 21:42:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:


How does local make nullsec safe?



Seriously???


Answer the question.

Hint: I already know what your answer is going to be, I'm just leading you to water


Free intel that requires zero effort. God forbid you actually have to work for intel.

And you can lead a horse to water, but I am not drinking anything P

No trolling please
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#478 - 2012-06-20 21:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Don't remove it though otherwise you'll have less PVP like in wormhole space, which barely ranks above highsec in terms of pvp/pve losses per capita lol
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#479 - 2012-06-20 21:43:33 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Free intel that requires zero effort. God forbid you actually have to work for intel.

And you can lead a horse to water, but I am not drinking anything P


oh man you hit that dscan button every 5 seconds like a boss, you're certainly expending a substantial amount of effort, clicking that button so often

literally the height of gameplay, totally different from looking at a similar list while doing the same stuff, sans clicking on a button

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#480 - 2012-06-20 21:44:47 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Free intel that requires zero effort. God forbid you actually have to work for intel.

please elaborate on why making this process difficult or time consuming adds to the game

please be specific, and be aware making things annoying is not an end in itself

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.