Warfare & Tactics

And I say don't continue.

As long as the Shakorites get to ride motorcycles in the Tour de France called FW their lives should be made as hard as you can within the narrow confines afforded by CCP reluctance to do any actual work on FW.

- Plex relentlessly, preferably in upgraded system.
- Never flip a system, not a one, they get diddly squat from defence .. every flipped system is more ISK for Pator.
- Aggressively pursue/kill/harass any Shakorites plexing held systems. Should be easy enough considering the number of systems involved .. they should not be allowed the easy LP from offensive plexing.
- Go on SiSi and cook up the bare minimum ship/fit with which to plex everything (minor/medium/major) when NPC eWar is axed and spam that ship/fit on TQ.

Once winter (or more likely next summer) rolls around with the "real" changes, you know the actual balance changes, each and every Amarr member will have millions of LP (triple digits!) ready to cash out when the Iron Heel of the Empire curb-stomps the Shakorites after their motorcycles are removed ..
Head to head, pound for pound Amarr > Matar, proven time and again over the years, take away their ridiculous plexing advantage (or give similar to Amarr whichever CCP thinks will ruin game the most) and they'll be locked away deep in bowels of their hinterland.

In short: Plex and plex only. Once their only major LP income is reduced to the silly solo bombers, they will lose plexing steam as bodies drop once again .. should be timed almost perfectly with plexing conditions being equalized come winter/summer at which time they will be overrun.

This is the way we can win based on the actual mechanics of the game. Unfortunately many in amarr militia aren't looking at the actual mechanics of the game. Instead they are looking at old textbooks about world war 1 and deluding themselves into thinking that those strategies will work in this game.

I think hans has a point in that the system shouldn't be scrapped just because one side is fighting in a stupid manner. The no lp for defensive plexing gives amarr the ability to get back in the game. But we are ignoring it and instead giving minmatar plexers huge economic benefits by flipping systems right next to their bases.

BTW I am not saying that engaging in a smart strategy along the lines you outline will be enough. The system is still pretty lopsided and it may be that even with best tactics it will just be too lopsided.

But I do agree with hans that until we amarrians actually start fighting smart (based on the actual mechanics in the game not some imagined world war 1 strategy that simply doesn't apply) ccp shouldn't just start changing things willy nilly. We need to adjust our strategies to the mechanics ccp gives. We shouldn't be telling CCP "hey we want to win with this strategy make it so we can."

No doubt I am making myself unpopular with my militia by saying this.

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40 man fleets aren't that unusual at all.

That's a pretty good point: The difference in reward levels doesn't increase conflict, if anything it seems to decrease conflict as anyone (alts of enemies included) can just join the winning side and join in the cashing out.

Giving rewards definitely helps conflict, because it gives people a reason to be in plexes. And you can earn ISK in plexes in a pvp ship instead of pveing your way through missions.

Consequences to your main account not being able to dock is also a driver for conflict.

But the more I've see of this tiered reward crap (and hey, I'm in the Minmatar Militia, I am raking in the LP on my main), the more I think it's a very bad idea. CCP should go back to the same reward level for all militias, or at the very least, not have a negative penalty so the losing side can still compete with high sec mission runners.

Well this is true to an extent. But I know I have allot of amarr lp built up that I would love to cash out at tier 5. Hence I am hoping my militia gets it in gear and starts moving toward that goal. The tier system is very much a driver from my perspective.

That makes sense. And as we've discovered, you only need the high tier level for a brief window to capitalize on achieving that goal, as long as you're prepared beforehand. You don't have to be able to *maintain* a tier level to make achieving it profitable and worth putting effort towards. And when you do hit it (and I'm sure you will eventually) your items will be higher priced on the markets as well, making that cashout more lucrative than anything the minnies have been able to pull in terms is isk / LP.

Why do CCP balance ships then???

If Amarr were losing due to lack of numbers etc..., we wouldn't be complaining.

We are complaining because the current mechanics are making it hard for us to compete due to the mechanics depending on criteria which affects different people differently. Put simply, we require more numbers/better ships/higher SP to do something that a char in a frig can do in less than a week in the minmitar militia.

Let me give you a non FW example revolving around incursions (yes it is rediculous, but just want to show what we are dealing with)

e.g. A Legion fleet used to warp in after a pirate BS fleets in NCO incursion mission (vanguards) before the nerf and win the site.
Alternatively, a 6 man gang would get pwned by a 10 or 11 man due to the extra DPS meaning they won the site.
This is an example of what Soundwave said - balance should not be inherrent so as to drive conflict.

Now assume that Caldari characters took 25% extra damage and did 25% less just because their toon is Caldari. The other 3 races have an advantage over all Caldari. Yes the Caldari can partake in incursions, but it is hardly fair is it and is not what Soundwave was referring to.

People should stop posting out of context quotes and try and understand the issue the Amarr are objecting to!!!

Define a shortwhile? A few hours. A day?

I can go to bed and see pretty much all upgrades that were put in place gone when I log back in the next day. With the number of systems you hold vs us, it means we fill up our ihubs and you guys empty it out and bump us back down in no time. We do it to a few of your systems and worst case, you drop from T4 to T3.
And last night, it seems the minnies "fixed" that by further upgrading some systems to push up into the middle of T4 instead of sitting on the edge of T4/T3