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Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#101 - 2012-06-20 19:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Capitol One
BolsterBomb wrote:
Capital One,

If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.

You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.


Let me summarize it:

YOU ARE NOT A FW CORP, you are a corp IN FW just because.




Mr Traitor, Bolster sir. If you weren't so busy switching to the #gasp# enemy militia and smacking on the forums, you might know that W-BR has done their fair share of fighting the Minmatar in this neverending war over Soverignty.

Let me summarize it:

You're terrible and a nobody.

- Capitol One.

Ps. I guess Bolster is one of those butthurt people Big smile

Edited for apt title.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#102 - 2012-06-20 19:12:10 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is


is instead of saying "Yup, we tried to help SotF kill some supercaps, and certainly would've defended SotF's caps against Caldari on the field." you keep coming with bizarre bullshit and new moralizations about it, like "we <3 SotF" is no longer a good enough justification for you. Had you said the quoted sentence, there'd be maybe 1-3 posts on the first page below it saying little more "yeah? duh." and that would be the end. There's not even any WBR-Caldari drama in this thread beyond your sad insults; the Caldari contribution to your replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session is just bewilderment.

Quote:
You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part!
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#103 - 2012-06-20 19:16:38 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is


is instead of saying "Yup, we tried to help SotF kill some supercaps, and certainly would've defended SotF's caps against Caldari on the field." you keep coming with bizarre bullshit and new moralizations about it, like "we <3 SotF" is no longer a good enough justification for you. Had you said the quoted sentence, there'd be maybe 1-3 posts on the first page below it saying little more "yeah? duh." and that would be the end. There's not even any WBR-Caldari drama in this thread beyond your sad insults; the Caldari contribution to your replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session is just bewilderment.

Quote:
You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part!


You sound angry, and a little confused. Sort of like an angry little goldfish that just swam an entire circle in his little fishbowl and is surprised at what he sees infront of him.

My posts haven't really been "insults, left, right and centre", I've actually tried to get our view on things out there. I'm sure you would love it if this thread was simply a "smack W-BR thread". I wish it hadn't come to these butthurt angry "cry foul's" against our corp.

It really spoiled Damar's battlereport. But I won't just sit down quietly while you smack my corp. It's quite entertaining even.

But oh well, you are and always will be something of a little clown Smile

- Capitol One
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#104 - 2012-06-20 19:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
BolsterBomb wrote:


A) You break up (since they are a large corp) and you plex the crap out of systems far and wide. Minnies arent going to show up and defend.


No, they will defend when WBR is asleep, and they can easily do that due to their large numbers advantage.

BolsterBomb wrote:

B) VP speak for themselves, Amarr have the ability to shape their fate in this. But thats for another topic. Its very evident WBR is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Or in this case SOTF clothing


For all my talk of traitorous actions with SOTF and WBR, WBR is a force to be reckoned with in their own right. They are easily one of the strongest corps in all of FW. If you are talking not about their pvp power but their "blurred" allegiances, they keep their word, even if said word is sometimes traitorous :P
Gunthar X
Desecration
#105 - 2012-06-20 19:22:19 UTC
Capitol One wrote:


I would like to address your post.

W-BR has always been very true to itself, unlike many people posting in this thread. We have our princips, we stick with our friends and we don't let drama get in the way of good gameplay. You might even say we enjoy these little bouts of drama that people start over every other Operation we plan.

Nitalya, you seem to be very confused, verily indeed. That operation (planned ahead in time) in Aivonen was in no way a "remote-rep only" operation. It was very much a co-operation meant to kill and destroy Snuffbox and those Supercaps. You might be referring to the night before patch and all the drama that ensued when SOTF helped defend Kamela from the Minmatar onslaught, but that's another story.

I don't really recognize you, so I can't say I'm terribly hurt that you have no respect for me/my corp. However, it sounds more like a grudge/envy kind of thing, but whatever. Smile

You also seem to be one of many that think this engagement in Aivonen was centered around the Gallente/Caldari conflict. It wasn't. It was a defense of a friends asset from a pirate entity and a common enemy, and possibly a really good fight and kills might come out of it. While I can sympathize with your flawed idea that everything revolves around you and the Caldari militia, it sadly doesn't.

Whatever colours you might think Wolfsbrigade showed, I'm sure they were red and bloody, 'cause we're all about the fight, and a good showing it was on Snuff's side indeed. Too bad the Caldari had to make such a huge thing over it all.

Sincerely,

- Capitol One.


So you’re always true to your principles and those are that you will only support one group at the expense of your own militia and those of your friendly militia regardless of the impact to your own reputations. You also state that even knowing that the Caldari were on the field killing their enemy you were going to jump in and only kill Snuff while leaving the Caldari alone, what would have happened if the Caldari cap fleet would have hit the field and engaged the Gallente fleet after Snuff was taken off the field? Would you have sat by and watched us fight? I am willing to put money on the fact that you would have actively supported them in killing us without a second thought because they are the most important friends you have.

As for having no respect for someone I am pretty sure we can empathizes with that feeling as no one in the Caldari militia has an ounce of respect for your group along with a large portion of the Amarr militia I suspect. There are many groups within the Caldari that have friends that at one time or another kill our own militia and each one of those groups must make a choice of whether to assist one side or the other, most of us choose to stay out of the fight all together to ensure relations are not damaged due to a misinterpretation of actions. If anyone in the Caldari militia thought for a single moment that you would only kill the Snuff fleet then we may have held fire but knowing you as we do we knew that the second you were on the field and done with Snuff we would be next, with you either directly engaging us or providing logistic assistance to the Gallente.

It is normally common courtesy to inform friendly forces if you will be participating in operations in their own backyard so that situations such as these do not occur but given your past coupled with this latest example I am willing to bet that you will all be more or less KOS in Caldari space to anyone with sense. As for the Amarr militia members outside of WBR if you need help please ask us and as long as WBR has nothing to do with it then we may be inclined to assist in some capacity.

By the way the colors you were showing were red and bloody but that was a result of the horrible and dry **** that your fleet and friends took at the hand of Snuff and the Caldari militia but given your past I am sure we will see another fight were you will show up on the side of the Gallente. Just remember that no matter what if you show up in an engagement you are fair game just make sure you bring that giant titan sized ego of yours along oh “Saviors of the Amarr”. That quote was from your group by the way.
Gunthar X
Desecration
#106 - 2012-06-20 19:26:49 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Nitalya wrote:
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.


There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend.

Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.




Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#107 - 2012-06-20 19:37:45 UTC
Gunthar X wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Nitalya wrote:
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.


There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend.

Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.




Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space.


If you don't like W-BR, all you have to do is stay out of Kamela. I'm not entirely sure they have figured out how to use the stargates to get out of that system, unless it is via cyno or titan-bridge. (:

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#108 - 2012-06-20 19:50:19 UTC
Partially translated:

Capitol One wrote:
u mad?


Nah. There's only one member of WBR that I can speak angrily about, and it isn't you. Thanks for asking :)

Quote:
My posts haven't really been "insults, left, right and centre",


Actually I characterized your posts as "bizarre bullshit and new moralizations" and as "[a] replacement-for-we-heart-SotF brainstorming session". It's true though that the your sad insults are late-comers.

The rest of your post, I strongly feel like I've replied to.

Quote:
You... jerk!

- Capitol One
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#109 - 2012-06-20 19:54:39 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Nitalya wrote:
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.


There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. ...
It's really up to Nitalya, not WBR, to decide who Nitalya will and will not help.
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#110 - 2012-06-20 20:04:33 UTC
So, before I hit the bed, just one more question.

Anyone willing to write a battlereport from Snuff/Shadow cartel/Gal/Wbr perspective and add it here? Or would those cause this thread to become even more silly? Lol
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#111 - 2012-06-20 20:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Gunthar X wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Nitalya wrote:
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.


There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. When SOTF betrayed the Minmatar, a number of QCATS went down there to help and show it wasn't the whole militia, just one alliance. Yes, at the start we had some "it's Gallente traitors" but that quickly changed when they saw us down there plexing. In fact, we recently went down there in force and ran fleets for a weekend.

Point is - the actions of an individual or a corporation in a militia is just that: The actions of an individual or corporation in a militia. It is NOT the entire militia. So if Caldari wish to help the beleaguered Amarr, but consider WBR traitors, go ahead and do so and just don't help WBR.




Very well stated and something we as a militia need to consider if only to pull some of those damn minni LP miners out of our space.


The Minnie LP farmers don't care about Minmatar sov.. They wont fight for it, they are just up here because we have systems they can farm. I'd bet most are just alts from each militia cashing in (ours included) as well as out side parties trying to farm ISK for their mains.

The only real balance to fix that issue is for Caldari to push into high tier our selves leaving fewer systems for farmers in our Militia to hit which intern would push them down into Minmatar space.

The whole system really only balance's out with 1 side of each opposing war front holding the bulk of the sov. The whole tier system does not work if both sides are equal and it wont work if it's Min & Gal dominating or Amarr & Cal. With so many farmers involved it has to be Cal & Min or Amarr & Gal holding the bulk of sov on their own war fronts to hold high tier for each opposing side.
Nitalya
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-06-20 20:30:07 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Nitalya wrote:
i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have.


There is nothing stopping you from going down to Amarr space and helping the other Amarr corps take systems - you could just ignore Kamela. ...
It's really up to Nitalya, not WBR, to decide who Nitalya will and will not help.


my interest is in helping the caldari militia win... we originaly joined the amarr militia but couldnt handle the constant epeen waving by wbr about how the militia was fail without them blah blah blah.. IMO if you join a militia its the same concept of joining an alliance and should put your effort into making life better for all wearing the same tags as you.. WBR only cares about protcting there own assets and makes BFF packs with war targets to achieve said goal.

and if they think its in there best interest to keep said policy more power to them. im have issues understanding why they want people to feel sorry for them cause we killed there cyno that showed up halfway through a fight(planned or not). like i said before its SOP to kill a cyno thats not yours in a fleet fight end of story.

the fact that you all hide behind the but we didnt shoot any of you excuse acutaly makes me laugh more than it makes me mad cause to me its funny you think anyone will actualy buy that line of bs.

i would also like to point out that i have alot of bffs in snuffbox (check corp history on a few of them and myself) unlike you guys i will come out and say it aslong as snuff is not ingaging call mill assets and you come to fight thim i would be more than willing to shoot any and every one of you.

as far as helping the amarr militia is concerned untill people in that militia get there egos in check and learn to help one another why should i risk my isk and assets to help them? till groups like WBR put the need of ther own militia ahead of there own personal gain why should i care what happens to them?

to capital one or whatever you name is.. its funny ive never actualy hear of you either so and dont care if you know who i am. my mommy still loves me so im goodRoll

eve is what it is and thats great cause you can f*ck over your friends if you want and its buissness as usual. i just love watching internet tough guys try and claim they are mistreated when you put us in the situation to either shoot your or let our blues die easy choice seeing as how you came to defend our war targets.

and is far is kamela is concernd i hope the minmitar take it and i hope they set us temp blue so we can convince our snuff overlords to come help us kill all your toys

Gunthar X
Desecration
#113 - 2012-06-20 20:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Gunthar X
In the words of the late Rodney King "ow ow ow ow stop hitting me"

*comment removed due to possible hurt feelings*
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#114 - 2012-06-20 21:16:00 UTC
Wow that was a lot of unintelligible wall-of-text of some rather funny bullshit Gunthar/Nitaliya. I can only laugh. Big smile
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#115 - 2012-06-20 21:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
We were there to kill the supers,

We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,

No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings

I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.

Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.

Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.

Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.

That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?

EDIT

I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#116 - 2012-06-20 21:23:39 UTC
Wow. Some of the Caldari and Amarr in this thread are being real sourpusses.

Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! Cry

Good victory, Snuff. Sounds like a fun time. Shame I missed it.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Nitalya
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2012-06-20 21:34:27 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
We were there to kill the supers,

We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,

No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings

I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.

Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.

Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.

Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.

That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?

EDIT

I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails.



Shocked well said. much better than all this we only rep them wont shoot your bs.

im not sure anyone is really butthurt about yesterday.... got long fight lots of KM and a handfull of caps dead overall a fun day in eve.

my beef is with people claiming they will assist our enemys(only our cause im in cal mil) with only reps and then getting sad when they get shot.

the part that sucks to people that are interested in FW for what its intended to be is now when we see an amarr cyno in local we have to shoot it because they are bringing reps to help the gall. in the old days before the wbr move an amarr cyno would mean help was on the way.

because the wbr sotf deal it causes mistrust and issues with what militias that are supposed to be blue to one another. that being said eve is what it is and your allowed to do this wich is ok with me personaly but dont expect people to look at it favorably or expect any sympathy when thing happen like yesterday.

im guessing thats what everyone is butthurt about and tbh you cant really blame them.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#118 - 2012-06-20 21:44:54 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! Cry


It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!".

But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#119 - 2012-06-20 21:49:07 UTC
Nitalya wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
We were there to kill the supers,

We would/will defend SOTF once already in a fleet and on grid,

No caldari corp is/or wants blue standings

I don't plex much cause its meaningless to me. I only defend my home system.

Im not butthurt about yesturday we had a good fight.

Had a Caldari been called as a target while I was on field, I would have killed it.

Given the choice between two targets One Random Caldari One SOFT, I will kill the Caldari, they are not blue.

That said, does anyone have any other pointless questions? Or can we get on with actually playing the game?

EDIT

I dont give a **** about RP blues, Im in FW for the Kill Mails.



Shocked well said. much better than all this we only rep them wont shoot your bs.

im not sure anyone is really butthurt about yesterday.... got long fight lots of KM and a handfull of caps dead overall a fun day in eve.

my beef is with people claiming they will assist our enemys(only our cause im in cal mil) with only reps and then getting sad when they get shot.

the part that sucks to people that are interested in FW for what its intended to be is now when we see an amarr cyno in local we have to shoot it because they are bringing reps to help the gall. in the old days before the wbr move an amarr cyno would mean help was on the way.

because the wbr sotf deal it causes mistrust and issues with what militias that are supposed to be blue to one another. that being said eve is what it is and your allowed to do this wich is ok with me personaly but dont expect people to look at it favorably or expect any sympathy when thing happen like yesterday.

im guessing thats what everyone is butthurt about and tbh you cant really blame them.


I was speaking for myself, not my corp. Corp was most likely told not to shoot caldari, I was watching the England game and totally half assing comms, much to my CEOs expectations and disappointment.

If Caldari want our help for anything, they need only ask. You will get a simple and quick Yes or No. If its "Help us kill this SOTF pos" then of course it will be a no. If its help us kill these pirates, it'll be a good fight. Then it'll be up to the FCs to decided.

The only time we've been asked to help the Caldari(that I remember), we've actually helped them. Enaluri Pos fight, and taking a bunker.

As for "meant to be blue". Caldari are not blue. You can become blue by talking to our diplos, until such time as ccp change it. You are a nuetral. Life would be easier if people remembered this. We have a war against the same people thats true, but thats it.

I don't for a second expect any Caldari corps hitting up our diplos for blue standings, I also don't expect CCP to change that either.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#120 - 2012-06-20 21:54:47 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Oh no! WBR doesn't role play like we do!! Bad WBR! Bad! Cry


It's quite the opposite. The threads go on because WBR and SOTF leadership aren't satisfied with their Aegis shield defense of "we like each other more than we like you, duh." - they want to also present themselves as respectable and loyal members of their respective militias. So, it's actually a desire to role play, when you cast criticism of their relationship as RP-inspired. So the other day, FIRST GENERAL is hotly indignant when it's suggested that WBR uses Minmatar alts to offensively plex Amarr systems - and then sYnc proudly declares that (occupancy-harmless) missioning is quite beneath her Minnie plexing alt. So on with the "we weren't fighting you, we were just repping the people you were fighting" defense of old. So on with the "what? There were Caldari on the field? :shock:" defense of today. The only defense they need is "we like each other more than we like you". This is how it actually is, and this is how it's understood by all other parties, but people still want to say "blarble blarble, we weren't there for you, our space-honor (which we don't care about) is shining and impeccable!".

But they don't believe their own BS enough to get angry with the Caldari for instantly killing that Pilgrim, so whatev'. The sole products of their RP-insecurity are these long threads where they put out flimsy-as-hell and unnecessary-as-hell bullshit just so that it can get called on and so that people like you can gasp about how :mad: and :RP: the bullshit-callers must be.

I'd put my isk on they're laughing. It's a game. Why so serious?

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?