Warfare & Tactics

Actually.. we teamed up with Snuff Box to Shoot Gallente our war targets. We also knew Shadow Cartel was coming to assist Gallentte to try and get SC kills. WB showed up middle of a fight that was on going, so it was you whom made the decision to assist Caldri's war targets in the middle of a on going fight.

You at no time reached out to Caldari ahead of time, to ask us to stay out of this fight, so any planning you may have done prior to this is irrelevant because it was in our backyard and our war targets are involved. You would really have to be drinking a lot of that special kool-aide to think we wouldn't be involved.

it seems pretty simple to me... gall miliitia is a war target of us in the cal militia. anyone who helps them is an enemy of the state.

i dont think people are butthurt over all the forum drama. i think people are annoyed with wbr not being able to be honest with themselfs. all this drama could end if wbr would just come out and say we give two sh*ts about FW and the militias and just want to get kills and sotf is our bffs and we wont let you kill any of them.

you say your only there to provide logistics support and never fired a shot at cal militia pilots. your mouth must hurt from all that double talk. applying a single remote rep to a wartarget is the same as shooting at cal militia pilots since it midigates our dps and allows there dps to stay on the field longer. you can sit on your high horse and say well they shot first. ofcourse we did you are offering aid to our enemy wich makes you our enemy its pretty simple and i would think people as smart and uber leet as your make yourselfs out to be would understand such a simple concept

i personaly dont have any respect for WBR and this is coming from a old amarr militia pilot. and i can say regardless of why your are on the field if you are not shooting our enemy with us your helping them and i will always shoot your logi support regardless of faction standing.

either way it was a good fight and i would like to give my respect to the galls for fighting. wbr just showed there true colors again and im not suprised they showed up to help the galls.

and just one point that seems to be over all your heads in wbr.. i dont care who is doing it but if they are taking away pocos or any form of income to a gall militia corp/alliance i will be ther helping them because that helps our war effort and to me beating the galls back to highsec is our goal. and should be

You know, we didn't suddenly just #magic# decide to crash some fight you were having, that was a planned op and W-BR was already in a fleet for a while, moving ships into range and so forth. You make it sound like it was a spur-of-the-moment thing for us, which it certainly wasn't

Also, we really have no working relationship with the Caldari Militia like we do with SOTF, so us being supposed to "reach out to you ahead" is moot.

So it was your backyard, and your wartargets involved, so you got involved. That's all fine and dandy, but we're not crying about you teaming up with snuff, it's you crying about us teaming up with SOTF to fight snuff, while calling it "W-BR teaming up with SOTF to fight Caldari" .. which is really, really far from what we were doing in Aivonen

I've never actually tasted kool-aide, am I missing out?

- Capitol One

I wasn't even thinking that far ahead. If you're Caldari and you decide to shoot an Amarr FW guy (who pops a cyno in the middle of your fleet), then you won't lose Caldari faction standings.

lol ok you got me..


but back to the point at hand.. its SOP if a neutral cyno or a cyno you know to be friendly to your wartargets is lit.... you KILL it no matter who lit the cyno. i dont see it as anything personal towards WBR we wanted to see the gall lose more caps the fact that it was a wbr cyno just is icing on the cake imo.

i peronaly also think its a shame the rest of the amarr militia is struggling to hold onto there space and could use the help from caldari forces but cant because the pact that sotf and wbr have. but its part of the sandbox and to each there own. i also find it sad the wbr would prefer to aid gall forces than to actualy take systems from the minmitar but hey thats just me

I would like to address your post.

W-BR has always been very true to itself, unlike many people posting in this thread. We have our princips, we stick with our friends and we don't let drama get in the way of good gameplay. You might even say we enjoy these little bouts of drama that people start over every other Operation we plan.

Nitalya, you seem to be very confused, verily indeed. That operation (planned ahead in time) in Aivonen was in no way a "remote-rep only" operation. It was very much a co-operation meant to kill and destroy Snuffbox and those Supercaps. You might be referring to the night before patch and all the drama that ensued when SOTF helped defend Kamela from the Minmatar onslaught, but that's another story.

I don't really recognize you, so I can't say I'm terribly hurt that you have no respect for me/my corp. However, it sounds more like a grudge/envy kind of thing, but whatever.

You also seem to be one of many that think this engagement in Aivonen was centered around the Gallente/Caldari conflict. It wasn't. It was a defense of a friends asset from a pirate entity and a common enemy, and possibly a really good fight and kills might come out of it. While I can sympathize with your flawed idea that everything revolves around you and the Caldari militia, it sadly doesn't.

Whatever colours you might think Wolfsbrigade showed, I'm sure they were red and bloody, 'cause we're all about the fight, and a good showing it was on Snuff's side indeed. Too bad the Caldari had to make such a huge thing over it all.

Sincerely,

- Capitol One.

It's adorable how you're able to simply ignore any argument that you don't agree with, e.g. every one of my previous posts.

Really, the reason this thread has gone to these lengths is the drama the Caldari started over W-BR's actions in Aivonen, we certainly aren't butthurt about 'causing this ruckus

Also no, we didn't lose a capital ship, killed or self-destructed, it was only our brosefs that took the brunt of the loss, after heroicly tanking some Supercaps and an impressive Machariel fleet. If only you could boast about something equal to that.

You certainly didn't lose the fight, but neither did you really "win" the fight. I have to give credit where credit is due, and that lies with Snuffbox, good job on their part!

- Capitol One.

Capital One,

If you are such a TRUE FW corp, and have the "right assets to field whatever" then why have you not used your assets or put forth your "TRUE" FW colors by taking back Amar space.

You havent. Thats what is funny, everyone else knows it except you guys.


Let me summarize it:

YOU ARE NOT A FW CORP, you are a corp IN FW just because.

Personally I try to push the agenda that's it's not all of Amarr Militia, just WBR.. Just like with the Minnies it wasn't all of Gal Militia just SoTF. I think the problem many of us have with the rest of Amarr Militia at this time is that they don't seem to be trying to help themselves but that's a unrelated issue for another topic.

As a side note being this is a "sandbox" perhaps it would be funny if Minmatar & Caldari formed a LP Cartel by assisting each other in taking space and agreeing to specific farming grounds... We could call it LOPEC.


Oh I kid, I kid..

I will counter with

A) You break up (since they are a large corp) and you plex the crap out of systems far and wide. Minnies arent going to show up and defend.

B) VP speak for themselves, Amarr have the ability to shape their fate in this. But thats for another topic. Its very evident WBR is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Or in this case SOTF clothing