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How do I introduce myself into the world of PVP?
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Kyurem Elryon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-20 12:43:02 UTC
For a while now, I've been wondering how to comfortably involve myself in the PvP world. I'm a rather reclusive solo miner and missioner, but I intend to branch out into PvP. However, I don't understand how to begin my PvP career without instantly losing every single ship i fly. I understand that loss is inevitable and I've lost plenty of ships to know the pain, but also to understand how to move on and not let it get you down. I have no intention of, for instance, leaving my corp to join RVB, or enlisting in factional warfare, but I would like to do some PvP.

What's the best way to start a PvP career, and actually be profitable? Or is profitability something that comes with time and a truckload of failures, lost ships and ISK?

Help me out guys.

I accidentally my whole Cola bottle.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#2 - 2012-06-20 12:51:30 UTC
If you want PVP to be profitable, cloak up somewhere in 0.0 and wait for a big fight then literally ninja the living **** out of everything. If you want PVP to be fun, get you and your corp members into a bunch of battlecruisers with points and head out into lolsec.
Kyurem Elryon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-20 12:56:00 UTC
I like the cloak idea. Sounds interesting.

I accidentally my whole Cola bottle.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-20 14:26:13 UTC
Faction War is a good way to learn PvP.

Usualy small ships that don't cost a fortune, quite easy to join an alliance nowadays, you earn something as well when shooting up other people.

It's less straight forward than RvB I've been told, a lot of tactical manuvering as well, good for when you later on move to 0.0 or WH-space.
Mazzy Star
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-06-20 14:35:14 UTC
If you're looking to learn the basics, Agony still runs PVP courses that generally do a good job of familiarizing people with the basics of dscan usage, fleet communications, and so on. The roams following their classes can be a lot of fun too and you'll get some hands on experience.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-20 15:38:12 UTC
Buy 20 cheap PVP ships, fly down to Syndicate and do some friendly smack talk to everyone you meet in local. 1 week later you will have lost all 20 ships but gained a ton of experience and more than likely made some new friends
Rakaar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-20 16:44:14 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Buy 20 cheap PVP ships, fly down to Syndicate and do some friendly smack talk to everyone you meet in local. 1 week later you will have lost all 20 ships but gained a ton of experience and more than likely made some new friends


This ^. or any low sec.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#8 - 2012-06-20 18:07:40 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Buy 20 cheap PVP ships, fly down to Syndicate and do some friendly smack talk to everyone you meet in local. 1 hour later you will have lost all 20 ships but gained a ton of experience and more than likely made some new friends


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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-20 18:21:48 UTC
You should realize you're asking for two very different things:
1. How do I learn PvP?
2. How do I turn a profit from PvP?

Forget about the second one for know until you learn the first.

Joining RvB would be a good idea but you say you don't wish to leave your corp. We organize ganked nights at regular moments, which are open to interested players. It's quite laid back and you will loose your ship but you'll get some idea of how a fleet in null is (not) supposed to work. Feel free to join anytime.

Another idea is to head over to those areas of low-sec well known for active small gang pirate corps. Track down where the Tuskers or the Black Rebel Rifter Club for example and try to hunt them down. Those people are generally looking for 'good fights' and you can learn a lot from them. Avoid large gang pirate corps since they'll just gank you.
Hesidak Uroboroon
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-21 00:02:52 UTC
what i've learned is to never travel alone in lowsec or when wardecced unless you have a cloak, and don't fly what you can't afford to replace. a rifter or thrasher is a nice place to start, cheap and easy to lose, yet effective

The U.S. Navy has developed a railgun that can hit a target the size of a watermelon from about 200km away.  its probably around 8,000 years in the future, we can go faster then light, be immortal, teleport capital ships, communicate instantly, mine asteroids and make ships invisible,yet still our railguns can't even hit a massive spaceship over 100km....
Dracan02
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2012-06-21 06:16:47 UTC
Entry to PvP is normally filled with exploding. mostly you doing the exploding. After a few dozen losses the other guy will start to do the exploding.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2012-06-21 07:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Another idea is to head over to those areas of low-sec well known for active small gang pirate corps. Track down where the Tuskers or the Black Rebel Rifter Club for example and try to hunt them down. Those people are generally looking for 'good fights' and you can learn a lot from them. Avoid large gang pirate corps since they'll just gank you.


Tuskers home - Hevrice
BRRC home - Heild but currently Eve Uni is having ECM faggotry blobfest in there and we are on summer vacation in Placid, system Eugales.

And yes, both Tuskers and r1fta are looking for a good fights. BRRC is all about solo and small gangs, with emphasis on solo. So OP don't have to be afraid of rebelz gang raping his face, at least not until he will be cool about fighting us.

My introduction to pvp was easy, I took my t1 fitted rifter into Hevrice and I met one Tusker in jag. Than I went again and met another lowsec pirate. And then I went there again... I got exploded, I got some convos with good advice what I should improve and what skills I should prioritize and how I should fit my ship correctly. And I kept going into lowsec and I kept exploding.

OP, don't be afraid lowsec just don't go in there with shiny ships because sooner than later you will get your a*s handed to you. Go in t1 frig or dessie but fit it with t2 tank and gank (dc, gunz) as soon as you will have skills for it. And don't wave you di*k around because lowsec dwellers are good ppl but they really hate dickery from noobz.

And learn how to use d-scan, make BMs near gates (both on gate grid and out of grid) to check with d-scan for ships on them. If they stick around longer that it takes to jump it can mean it is a bait (1 ship) or a camp (more ships). Also check local to see if there are more than one of them from same corp - if you engage backup may drop on you in no time.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-06-21 09:53:05 UTC
@ topic name: Use plenty of lube.
Kethen T'val
Dontopiax Mining Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-21 15:05:02 UTC
Finding good solo pvp can be hard work, frustrating but then out of the blue a load of fun when the right fit comes along and as a reclusive grumpy mainly solo wanderer myself I'd take the above advice regarding the Tuskers and BRRC there lads seem from my pov to fly small solo ships when in between a bigger op so if your in the right area at the right time you'll for the main get a good 1v1 fight and all the ones I've come across have always been decent folk win or lose.

Take something your prepared to lose that's got enough about it to win a fight but is still engageable for another solo pilot (so were talking af's, frigates, cruisers etc imo) and go for a fly around Hulmate, Hevrice and onwards to wherever in that area...you will die to a camp/blob/whatever just accept it, a lot of folk don't solo it's just the way the game is, with time and experience you'll get used to avoiding them more and more but it still happens just be chilled about it and smile when the twenty drakes that just roasted your Rifter give you a good fight in local.

Two little systems in Enden and Erstet tend to have small 1v1 fights available depending on the area your in and there are obviously loads of others as well as blogs out there giving you good insight into it all, when I'm back from sunning myself on holiday feel free to contact me if you need some advice...I'm completely average however but if I can give any semi decent advice I will :)
shortattenionsp
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-21 19:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: shortattenionsp
[Edit: just read the bit where you mentioned not leaving your corp. I'll leave my post the same anyway to convince you that's what you should do anyway ;) ]

If you don't mind dropping the part about making isk, join RvB. You'll get more fights in 2 weeks than 3 months of doing pretty much anything else.

RvB has lots of other newbies and tries to keep fights fair. Combat is mostly done in cheap ships. No one cares if you suck.

It's perfectly possible to hit over 500-1000 kills in your first month of RvB. You will learn fast and accumulate experience fast just through the sheer volume of fights. There also lots of vets and really good pvpers there who can help if you ask who are bored of all the **** you get in null etc. You can solo or do gangs (10-30 people, mostly T1 frigs and cruisers). There is an FFA system where you can shoot reds or blues (1v1 only).

Wanting to make isk pvping entails a lot of waiting around stalking people or shooting carebears (boring as hell - people that shoot back are a lot more fun). Or becoming a merc (boring, very few fights, lots of camping).

The best way to have fun PvPing is make isk another way and just spend it on lots of ships you can afford to lose, trying to make money PvPing means being very cautious or having to do some time consuming / boring things (this might put you off pvp altogether).

Buy 30 frigs 10 dessies and 5 cruisers and join RvB ;)
Kyurem Elryon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-21 21:49:24 UTC
shortattenionsp wrote:


Buy 30 frigs 10 dessies and 5 cruisers and join RvB ;)



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I accidentally my whole Cola bottle.
Boomhaur
#17 - 2012-06-22 01:08:37 UTC
shortattenionsp wrote:
[Edit: just read the bit where you mentioned not leaving your corp. I'll leave my post the same anyway to convince you that's what you should do anyway ;) ]

If you don't mind dropping the part about making isk, join RvB. You'll get more fights in 2 weeks than 3 months of doing pretty much anything else.

RvB has lots of other newbies and tries to keep fights fair. Combat is mostly done in cheap ships. No one cares if you suck.

It's perfectly possible to hit over 500-1000 kills in your first month of RvB. You will learn fast and accumulate experience fast just through the sheer volume of fights. There also lots of vets and really good pvpers there who can help if you ask who are bored of all the **** you get in null etc. You can solo or do gangs (10-30 people, mostly T1 frigs and cruisers). There is an FFA system where you can shoot reds or blues (1v1 only).

Wanting to make isk pvping entails a lot of waiting around stalking people or shooting carebears (boring as hell - people that shoot back are a lot more fun). Or becoming a merc (boring, very few fights, lots of camping).

The best way to have fun PvPing is make isk another way and just spend it on lots of ships you can afford to lose, trying to make money PvPing means being very cautious or having to do some time consuming / boring things (this might put you off pvp altogether).

Buy 30 frigs 10 dessies and 5 cruisers and join RvB ;)


I generally dislike the idea of joining RvB to gain PVP experience but you make a good sound argument.

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