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CSM - Can you answer this honestly....
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Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-07 08:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
My concern with the CSM is the 'whats in it for me' scenario, and I worry that as the CSM is usually made up of alliance leaders, are they making the right decisions for the game and the greater good or for their alliances?

This for me, after the current aftermath is worrying for me. Yes its been good that the community has voiced its opinion and CCP have (hopefully) listened. However I do hope that this doesn't stop CCP being innovative and creative on bringing out new content. As a vet myself, yes please fix whats wrong, but even fixing whats wrong wont make much difference to my game play, because after 8 years, im bored...totally bored...because done everything, been everywhere and to be honest just doing the same old stuff. We still need new content that's exciting and gets us keep playing the game.

I think CQ could of been really good, but as usual it was badly implemented, its just wasn't great at all, and i have turned it off. It perform so badly it not playable, but the idea is interesting. The problem is i think people assumed they could also interact with other people, and sort of 'meet up' in bars and have a drink and a chat :)

Anyway I digress...

CSM please answer this...

1) Would you be prepared to drastically change the game, if it needed to be, if it had a big impact on your gameplay and your alliances game play?

2) Are you acting in the true spirit of the game and putting forward changes and ideas that are for the greater good rather what is best for you and your alliance?
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#2 - 2011-10-07 08:45:58 UTC
Well, look at it this way. Who has the most supers, and what's getting the biggest nerf this winter?

Just sayin'.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2011-10-07 08:47:48 UTC
Mittani and other Goon CSM are trying to get Tech nerfed. Which is odd since they hold a **** ton of it. So while people want to believe that the CSM ONLY looks out for themselves is bullshit.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-07 08:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Mittani and other Goon CSM are trying to get Tech nerfed. Which is odd since they hold a **** ton of it. So while people want to believe that the CSM ONLY looks out for themselves is bullshit.


Nerfed to what extent tho? They nerfed prom and dyspro, only to make tech more expensive and more abundant!
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#5 - 2011-10-07 08:57:15 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Mittani and other Goon CSM are trying to get Tech nerfed. Which is odd since they hold a **** ton of it. So while people want to believe that the CSM ONLY looks out for themselves is bullshit.


Nerfed to what extent tho? They nerfed prom and dyspro, only to make tech more expensive and more abundant!


Who knows to what extent we will have to wait and see.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Potato IQ
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-07 09:35:01 UTC
CSM put forward ideas and concerns. They serve a PR role as well as a voice for some areas of the game populace. They don’t make drastic changes to the game. CCP does
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2011-10-07 09:43:27 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
My concern with the CSM is the 'whats in it for me' scenario, and I worry that as the CSM is usually made up of null sec alliance leaders, are they making the right decisions for the game and the greater good or for their alliances?



You seem to be implying that hi-sec CSMs would be more honest than nullsec ones, despite the fact that both of the CSMs have have been kicked out for NDA breaches were Empire-focused (Larkonis mostly hangs around in lo-sec, and he admitted his crime and apologised unreservedly for it, Ankhthingummy was a hi-sec carebear and neither admitted nor apologised for her breach) Oddly, this matches my experience. The people who live in areas where the laws are defined and enforced by themselves seem to me to be much more trustworthy and reliable than those who have laws imposed upon them and enforced by others.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mallikanth
Wasters
#8 - 2011-10-07 09:43:51 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:


CSM please answer this...

1) Would you be prepared to drastically change the game, if it needed to be, if it had a big impact on your gameplay and your alliances game play?

2) Are you acting in the true spirit of the game and putting forward changes and ideas that are for the greater good rather what is best for you and your alliance?


Ridiculous questions which are impossible to answer to probably your satisfaction and anyone who knows someone with a tin hat.

Draw your own conclusions from what's said, add a pinch of salt and measure your conclusion against what happens. Adjust recipe for next tinfoilery subject.

Believe in what they do, not what they say.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-07 09:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Mallikanth wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:


CSM please answer this...

1) Would you be prepared to drastically change the game, if it needed to be, if it had a big impact on your gameplay and your alliances game play?

2) Are you acting in the true spirit of the game and putting forward changes and ideas that are for the greater good rather what is best for you and your alliance?


Ridiculous questions which are impossible to answer to probably your satisfaction and anyone who knows someone with a tin hat.

Draw your own conclusions from what's said, add a pinch of salt and measure your conclusion against what happens. Adjust recipe for next tinfoilery subject.



They are not ridiculous quesitons at all. And how are they impossible to answer? Only impossible if you wish to avoid them. If you dont have anything constructive to add to the thread then please don't post.

i smell an alt CSM trying to derail the post.... bit odd you are getting quite defensive.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-07 09:57:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
My concern with the CSM is the 'whats in it for me' scenario, and I worry that as the CSM is usually made up of null sec alliance leaders, are they making the right decisions for the game and the greater good or for their alliances?



You seem to be implying that hi-sec CSMs would be more honest than nullsec ones, despite the fact that both of the CSMs have have been kicked out for NDA breaches were Empire-focused (Larkonis mostly hangs around in lo-sec, and he admitted his crime and apologised unreservedly for it, Ankhthingummy was a hi-sec carebear and neither admitted nor apologised for her breach) Oddly, this matches my experience. The people who live in areas where the laws are defined and enforced by themselves seem to me to be much more trustworthy and reliable than those who have laws imposed upon them and enforced by others.



Edited to just show encompass 'alliances' rather than nullsec, but seeing null sec alliances have a dramatic effect on eve in general then this is where the most concern would lie.
Alaizabel Bronstein
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-07 10:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaizabel Bronstein
Just Another Toon wrote:
2) Are you acting in the true spirit of the game and putting forward changes and ideas that are for the greater good rather what is best for you and your alliance?

the "true spirit" of EVE entails looking out for the greater good? Shocked

they agreed to nerf supercapitals that's all the answer you'll realistically get.

(think we can agree that at the very least Legion of xXDEATHXx would have no selfish reason to want that)

edit: when you suspect they might be abusing their position in the CSM for personal gain (effectively lying to CCP about player concerns), what makes you think they would answer you honestly?

edit2: do you think each CSM members should bring his/her individual view of the game to CCP or tell CCP what he/she supposes to be the prevailing view among the subscribers at large (even if (s)he has no direct experience with the topic)?