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Making nullsec vibrant again

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Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#261 - 2012-06-20 17:12:14 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
So you're going to make that thread discussing power projection to educate everyone?


I think we can just chill in here for a bit, we seemed to have moved on from Null Sec Industry and we already have some discussion points. Smile
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#262 - 2012-06-20 17:12:58 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:

Red vs Blue or the goons or any other null corp that adverts for them.


Red vs Blue live in null now?
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#263 - 2012-06-20 17:13:16 UTC
Kuetlzelcoatl wrote:
Trying to frame unwanted opinions as invalid is one of the oldest tricks in the book.


Framing a discussion after you have already proven the invalidity of one side's arguments is perfectly valid.

Just because I make fun of you for being wrong, doesn't make you right.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2012-06-20 17:13:58 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
What do Jump Bridges have to do with the fact that the CFC has a lot of allies in relatively close proximity to it? Straight

Rephrase, Jump Bridges do not create NAPfests, and vice-versa. Sov mechanics create NAPfests.


SOV mechanics suck as well but I don't participate in SOV, just PVP so they don't concern me.
JB's on the other hand..

Besides, making it more labourious to get around New Eden will make the game seem 'big' again.

PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#265 - 2012-06-20 17:14:35 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
So your going to make that thread discussing power projection to educate everyone?

Nope.

Why not? You want people to be informed right? You and others in this thread are constantly pointing out how others are wrong when it comes to power projection. Make the thread and educate.
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#266 - 2012-06-20 17:14:41 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
If null is not viable and a dull place to be


Oh, sweet then it isn't and these threads are just shadow whines about t2 prices by people who have no clue what they're talking about.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#267 - 2012-06-20 17:15:20 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
If null is loosing more players than they can keep then it is player driven content that is the problem.


I'd suggest going to page 10 and reading about our conversation on Null Sec Industry. Farms & Fields and whatnot.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2012-06-20 17:15:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Riedle wrote:
It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB.

And, you're wrong.


Compelling argument good chap.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#269 - 2012-06-20 17:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Riedle wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riedle wrote:
It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB.

And, you're wrong.


Compelling argument good chap.


What's wrong with THE BIG BAD BLOB? People kinda hear about the huge fleet fights in EVE - nobody reads about 10 dudes going against all odds and conquering an incursion vanguard, nobody cares about skirmishes between nano gangs. Fleet fights with hundreds of individual players involved make for good publicity.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#270 - 2012-06-20 17:18:41 UTC
Riedle wrote:
PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them.


"We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track."

Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#271 - 2012-06-20 17:20:24 UTC
Reading this thread makes me wonder if the lvl of "disagreement" in the Greek parliament is not has high has in here.

But here is my two cents anyway on the matter. In order to "revive" Null, maybe CCP needs to :

1- Lower the ability of power projection in the game. (make the galaxy feel immense and not like a small board game)
2- Remove all the free intel that is currently available.
3- Allow the ability to fly between systems and at the same time find new and more dynamic ways of catching ships.
4- Do something about Tech moon concentration. (balance tech goo throughout the galaxy)
5- Remove AFK cloacking from the game.
6- Introduce the "Line Of Sight" factor. (no more firing through objects)

I am sure a lot of people will disagree with the above. Some would probably even unsub if CCP would go ahead with only one of them. On the long run however, I have a feeling these changes would make 0.0 more fun to venture in.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#272 - 2012-06-20 17:21:23 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Reading this thread makes me wonder if the lvl of "disagreement" in the Greek parliament is not has high has in here.

But here is my two cents anyway on the matter. In order to "revive" Null, maybe CCP needs to :

Kill it entirely


this is closer to what you're trying to say

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-06-20 17:23:05 UTC
dontbanmebro wrote:
Riedle wrote:
PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them.


"We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track."

Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize.

Shh, he thinks we use jumpbridges to freighter ships all the way down from deklein to delve, and that we always take the jumpbridge while travelling from vfk to whatever system in delve when we go for our annual freeport session in delve.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2012-06-20 17:23:23 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riedle wrote:
It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB.

And, you're wrong.


Compelling argument good chap.


What's wrong with THE BIG BAD BLOB? People kinda hear about the huge fleet fights in EVE - nobody reads about 10 dudes going against all odds and conquering an incursion vanguard, nobody cares about skirmishes between nano gangs. Fleet fights with hundreds of individual players involved make for good publicity.


So you're argument, essentially, is that

Quote:
BLOB PVP is the only PVP!!!oneone11!!


Again, compelling argument good chap. lol

What are the most popular PVP videos invloving EVE? Not BLOB fests, that's for sure.

Anyways, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any BLOB warfare, so relax my little lemming friend - I'm just saying it should be a little harder to project the BLOBS power around the vast reaches of New Eden. So relax, you will still have your FC barking orders to you if we nerf jump bridges.

*there there*
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#275 - 2012-06-20 17:24:30 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
god forbid a new profession should be introduced into the game: Moon Surveyor.

lets keep the game stale.

Okay. How would this make scanning a whole region multiple times a year not suck dicks?



I think you missed the idea of the whole new profession. You don't have to be the one doing it.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#276 - 2012-06-20 17:24:34 UTC
dontbanmebro wrote:
Riedle wrote:
PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them.


"We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track."

Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize.



U MAD
Herr Hammer Draken
#277 - 2012-06-20 17:24:59 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
If null is loosing more players than they can keep then it is player driven content that is the problem.


I'd suggest going to page 10 and reading about our conversation on Null Sec Industry. Farms & Fields and whatnot.


Null sec industry is not meant to be self sufficient. Working as intended. But then neither is high sec, as can not build capital ships, working as intended.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2012-06-20 17:25:21 UTC
Let's assume moon probing not only must be done with the same exact mechanic we have now, but let us also assume an entire region has to be scanned by one lone guy while the rest of his alliance doesn't help...

lol
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#279 - 2012-06-20 17:28:39 UTC
Riedle wrote:
What are the most popular PVP videos invloving EVE? Not BLOB fests, that's for sure.


Yes I bet "get booster and falcon alts and make your own solo PvP videos after grinding years of skills" would make an excellent selling point for this game rather than "participate in PvP on a scale beyond any other MMO"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jacque Cruix
Doomheim
#280 - 2012-06-20 17:29:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Shh, he thinks we use jumpbridges to freighter ships all the way down from deklein to delve, and that we always take the jumpbridge while travelling from vfk to whatever system in delve when we go for our annual freeport session in delve.


We had some jump bridge networks that would take you from deep 0.0 accross 3 regions and drop you 1 jump out of low sec with very little risk.

We only used about 6-8 bridges and maybe 3-5 gate jumps here and there to go what would have been 30-40 gate jumps without.

Far less risk, and that does affect strategic mobility and power projection.
Not unlike what the helo did for light infantry back in the 60-70s.