Warfare & Tactics

I honestly could care less about WBR and them helping the Gallente because I do not have a problem killing every single one of you who show up to help them, standings be damned. The issue is the BS response you always give about how you will only help them for this or you will only help them if that happens then you constantly go that one step farther.

I know the post was made to illicit this very response and it accomplished exactly what it was meant to but the fact still remains you are actively assisting an allied militia to hold territory and kill those who are unable to defend themselves unless they want a massive standings hit in the process. Then you play it all off as if your innocent and only providing reps and this is ok because you didn't fire a single shot. The game mechanics are in place to prevent random groups from wiping out entire fleets of friendly militia and griefing not so you can hide behind them while you provide logistics assistance to an enemy militia.

Either way you have damned the entire Amarr militia to a future of zero Caldari help in their efforts to drive back the Minni's because I can't think of a single group that would assist the Amarr at this point regardless of the consequences to our own war. It is sad that the rest of your militia has to pay for you when they could be running joint ops with the Caldari like they used to and begin working together to regain their lost systems

FYI: There is no faction loss for shooting allied militia. You will likely go GCC if you shoot first, however.

Looooooool

I love it! First, the minmitar cry like babies about our operations. Now the Caldari are butt hurt.

NUT UP, SHUT UP, OR GTFO!

The drama in this thread is amazing!

So basicly if you had achieved said supercarrier kills over the wrecks of caldari fleet with your bros in gallente militia, you would have painted this in positive light and suggested that next time caldari team with both of you ahead of time since it's clearly in their best interest and logical thing to do? (without consideration to such arbitary mechanics such as militia war target).

I still think Bad Messenger summarised it best though.

So you expected that the Caldari fleet would just sit there while you brought in your fleet to help the Gallente kill the pirates and then we would all just stare at each other until we all left peacefully. You knew for a fact as soon as the Caldari showed up and you decloaked to light the cyno exactally what was going to happen. Building bridges was never a part of the process you were there solely to defend your buddies POCO and to try and kill some expensive ships. Please make sure you send out a mail next time so all your members can sell us all the same BS story.

But....that drama was started by you.

Also, I dont think any of the caldari are butthurt over anything except by your butthurtiness that we did not want to shoot temporary blues "because of isk value'. People should have more integrity than that.

And also, "blue ops" where Caldari/Gallente are involved has always ended up hurting Caldari in the long run. So best keep the ideology pure and refuse any and all *friendly relations with enemy.

*Except me and my two involved spy alts of course, celebrating job well done.

Seeing all this drama makes me want to sign up my alt into FW. Just have to pick Gallente or Minmatar...

When you lose standings with the Faction Militia corp you also lose standings with that faction, just the same as you gain faction standings by gaining standings with the NPC FW corp. You are however right, I didn't lose any Amarr Faction standings because I'm also -10 with the 24th..

I would like to add something, a secondary viewpoint if you will.

The Caldari are complaining that they and snuffbox were fighting the gallente and that we [W-BR] should've either kept out of it or "expected" them to shoot us since it was "obvious" they were buddiebrosefpact with Snuffbox. We "interfered" with their fight or something to that effect.

Now here's my point:

This fight originated as a POCO belonging to SOTF was reinforced by Snuffbox (not caldari, to the best of my knowledge). Since W-BR and SOTF are brosefs, and considering Snuffbox is an entity that we both consider an enemy and somewhat decent pvp'ers with a flair for the expensive (Machs! Supers! ), we agreed to team up to fight Snuff, and possibly get some nice kills.

Fast forward a bit, SOTF are on field, W-BR standing by with cyno recons all over the place. Snuffbox are added to the recipe and then...Caldari. Ok, so the Caldari decided to team up with Snuffbox, and shoot both Gallente and Amarr pilots...

And then they call us out for siding with SOTF over them? That the objective was somehow the Caldari Milita, when it was an SOTF brosef POCO that was reinforced and Snuffbox who reinforced it. And when we knew the Caldari would be there, the order was given "Don't shoot Caldari".

And yet, we're somehow "the bad guys". When it wasn't us that shot the Caldari, but the Caldari that shot us...while fighting over something not related to them at all.

I could also point out that you "should've expected us to defend SOTF vs Snuff" akin to how you said we should've expected you to be teamed up with Snuffbox.

As for the point that W-BR have been helping SOTF vs Caldari in the war. I don't remember ever having teamed up with SOTF to actively fight the Caldari, despite all the dramaLOLpropaganda in this thread. On the contrary I remember teaming up with the Caldari to fight the Gallente.

Let's not confuse "SOTF helping W-BR defending our home system at a crucial juncture (patchday), and W-BR promising SOTF the same favour in return" with "W-BR actively team up with SOTF to fight the Caldari"...

So far that hasn't happened at our prerogative, the only reason a clash came to be between our respective bodies, is because the Caldari decided to shoot our pilots in this Avoinen engagement. I'm not saying they weren't allowed to, all the power to Caldari for doing their thing, but I'm saying that you shouldn't cast all blame on us [W-BR] for what is pretty much your own actions.

- Capitol One.

Honestly Mutnin, there's certainly no butthurt coming from our side, it seems to me it's more of the caldari being butthurt over W-BR, but I digress :)

As for your point of W-BR "interfering with your fights". I would direct you to my post above, where I sort of explained it. A fight between SOTF/W-BR vs Snuffbox and then Caldari come into the fray .. that's more of a "you intefering with our fight", but that's just me being cheeky, so I'll stop that trail of discussion.

And to be perfectly honest, I would appreciate it if you would leave the analyzing of my corporation to us, you know .. the people that are actually in the corp. I'll just tell you this, we very much are a FW corp, to the core, but it's not the only thing that defines us. We are in FW and we are an FW corp, but we're also striving to be much, much more than that at the same time.

I hope that clears up a few things

- Capitol One