EVE General Discussion

You understand that this has happened many times in nullsec, right? Also, you understand that in hisec, you have the luxury of using any station in any system you want, with some systems having more stations than some 0.0 regions, right?

Oh and let's not forget that the scale of the largest industrial projects, in terms of manufacturing slots needed, in hisec (building orcas/freighters laffo) is nowhere near the scale of the largest industrial projects in nullsec (building titans and outposts)

I like how a two months pause after a near-concurrent string of galaxy-spanning wars running almost three years from the return of bob (as IT) until the fall of raiden (bob again) means nullsec is "dead". Ignoring, of course, the huge shitups that are developing in Geminate and Delve.

All these "nullsec is dying" threads are just shadow whines over t2 prices, which actually have little or nothing to do with nullsec politics and almost everything to do with tech stockpiles finally running out.

Of course that doesn't stop the legions of uninformed having an opinion on things they know nothing about.

As a testament to the pathetic state of industry in nullsec, we had to lock down a sizeable chunk of Deklein's manufacturing slots to produce fuel blocks for Crucible.

I lived in Null sec as an industrialist. I'll let you know what my problem with it was and you all can take from it what you will.

1. lack of infrastructure - one of the big differences between PvE (complexes, ratting, etc.) and Industry (mining, manufacturing, hauling) is the amount of infrastructure needed. When doing PvE, at best you need one ratting ship, and off you go making untold millions per hour. To do anything of industrial signifigance in null, you need: mining ships, hauling ships, storage depots, compression, refining, manufacturing, and transport.

2. Too much work, not enough play - oftentimes the industrials that mine and manufacture are the same people looking after the logistical details of POSes and Outposts. Why? Well it fits nicely with the logistics that are needed to do industry, and we're good at it. I spent a lot of my time maintianing the POSes instead of mining.

3. I Went To Null Sec And All I Got Was This Lousy Spodumain - unless your running ABC belts via the I-HUB mod, mining in 0.0 pretty much sucked. mineral ratios on 0.0 ore are vastly out of balance with what is available in high sec.

4. Interruptions - actually this wasn't that bad, overall. CTAs and roamers were only a moderate inconvenience.

Given all of the above, is it any wonder why many industrials choose to stay out of null sec? And I haven't even mentioned the Alliance politics that we had to deal with.

First and foremost - need to severely nerf or get rid of altogether 0 jump bridges.
Why?

Glad you asked. This makes is relatively easy for some players to dominate a relatively large section of space out of whack with the numbers of people in their alliance/coalition. If we severely nerf jump bridges what we are doing is nerfing power projections and therefore we are encouraging more small/mid size sov owning alliances which encourages more people to set up shop in null. No matter how large and powerful an alliance in null is, it will be hard to convince 400 pilots to jump 50 jumps to shoot a POS. lol Therefore, less will and coalitions/large alliances become more localized and are unable to dominate vast swaths of empty space like they do today.

Secondly? Make the planets that are fought over in DUST only be in Low sec or Null Sec. None in High Sec. Make High Sec planets the domain of the races.

I think this, along with tweaked/easier industry in null - would go a long way to making null more prosperous for the hunted and the hunters.

Riedle

People being dickmongers is fine, that causes fighting and war

Having to death with 10s upon hundreds of POSes just to try to compete with High Sec Industry however, is what makes Logistics Directors commit suicide (in game).

Nerfing JFs or Jump Bridges does nothing to solve the massive issue of Null Sec Industry, nor does it "fix power projection", it just gives gate campers more targets while making large Null Sec Empires even more of a huge pain in the ass to maintain, not to mention lowering the availability of ships for PvP.

These days when Alliances are serious about a war, they deploy. Whether that means setting up a a gajillion staging POSes or renting out your bro's couch (station) for awhile, they'll find a way to get where the action is.

I would help limit the power projection of large coalitions because for the most part they won't be bothered to jump 50 jumps to 'protect' a system them obviously don't care enough about to even live in.

No, I mentioned in my post that Industry in Null seems to be a pain point as well. I don't do industry so I will let others advocate for changes like they have in this thread already.




But without jump bridges the sales job that 'This is an essential OP to the Alliance will become that much harder to make once you have fleet members jump 40 jumps each way to attack a POS of a smaller alliance you have never heard of.

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tell me more about how you can't find an open slot near jita, I found hundreds, 35 in just one station

that doesn't count the slots that will be free within hours

They're right, you're wrong.

Jump bridges are for internal day to day use, not strategic power projection. When you have a week to save a system, 50 jumps or 500 jumps makes no difference.

They are also correct that you shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about. As a general rule of thumb, in games as in life in general.