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People vs Tibus Heth: a note to capsuleer Caldari corporations.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#121 - 2012-06-20 13:56:05 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
This is exactly what frightens me the most in your rhetoric.


What, exactly? That I possess sentimental attachment to the home planet of my ancestors and my people? Sorry that frightens you.


You said that "this piece of rock is more valuable to me than I can explain clearly". The fact that you can not explain it clearly is what I find frightening.

Malcolm Khross wrote:

You may choose to take offense, though none was intended. I clarified to you exactly what was frustrating me in much the same way you clarify to others what causes you to be concerned. Perhaps you can understand now why it causes unpleasant responses sometimes. I assure you, I was entirely sincere.

Lyn Farel wrote:
Here I do not absolutely want to sound offensive - and I know it will sound offensive anyway - you are the perfect example of misplaced prided and a person that gets offended by anyone criticizing his beliefs.


By who's judgment is my pride in identity, history and ancestry misplaced? You will find that my beliefs have been challenged by plenty others and I have not taken offense, I've simply defended them. It is not the challenging of my beliefs that upsets me, it is the consistent and unfounded judgments and attacks on my character and person.

Lyn Farel wrote:
Also, you state that I do not listen when I actually do listen. I finally understood what you were all refering to - and I can assure you that I almost hate myself for not having made the link myself until now. I am sorry to say it, but your explanations were no explanations. They were emotionnal nonsense to me, and even if you call them convictions, convictions can very well be twisted or flawed. This is what I have kept answering to you but you, actually, were not able to understand that, blinded by the pride you hold so dear.

I do not seek to discredit, I seek to understand, and I do not see what I could even add to that if you keep wrapping yourself in all this bad faith. If I have been of any lack of respect, please feel free to point me out where and as I said above, I will apologize if it is really the case. You are deluding yourself if you think that a debate is not confrontational. This is the main difference with a discussion. And the difference between a debate and a quarrel is the presence of respect, indeed.


At your request, I have demonstrated to you, in this post alone, where you have been disrespectful and critical. The emphasis is, of course mine. Notice the language you use, "emotional nonsense," "blinded by your pride," "bad faith." These are not terms of respect or attempted understanding, these are terms of criticism and judgment.

Furthermore, I did not say you do not listen, I said you do not appear to be listening. You say I am blinded by pride and that my convictions are nothing more than emotional nonsense. Fine. I accept that as your viewpoint and your understanding. I understood from the beginning what you were asserting regarding the dangers of my "beliefs" but these are merely your perceptions and your judgment and, as I stated from the beginning, I really don't care what you think about them.

I hope we are finally done with this debate.


You demonstrate the obvious. This post was never meant to be respectful, and apparently it worked ten times better than all the previous united together.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-06-20 14:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
I cannot explain it clearly (to you) because all of my previous attempts to do so have been utterly disregarded by you.

My hostility in this thread has been based on previous interactions with you. I admit that my initial tone was not the most respectful nor conducive to discussion but it is because every discussion with you turns into a debate over semantics with one half of the argument always being disregarded because it is nonsense to you.

I have no desire for this continued back and forth between us, so I will simply cease responding to you here. If you wish to speak with me, you may do so over comms. I would prefer we do so in order to try and clear up this perpetual misunderstanding between us.

May your future be profitable and your skies clear.

EDIT: Upon further consideration, I will make the effort to contact you instead.

~Malcolm Khross
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#123 - 2012-06-20 15:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Lyn Farel wrote:
... where I debate to actually acquire a better balance with my own views, to understand and/or comprehend other ideals. The more you share, confront, discuss or debate with different opinions, and the more you can re evaluate your own and include the neccessary adjustements.

Somehow, it is still about information, just not the same kind of information.


Ah-- now this sounds more familiar. Debates are superb for testing one's own beliefs, yes.

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Your views have changed so radically since your return that I still have to adjust my own views considering that they still are very similar to your old ones.


Not so much as you may think, Ms. Farel. There has been only one binary reversal: to the degree this is a meaningful statement, I now recognize that I am human, or close enough that any distinction makes no difference.

The rest flows from that.

Let's talk further, elsewhere, lest we end up far from Ms. Kim's topic.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#124 - 2012-06-20 17:09:55 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Thank you for the... explanation, though what is your point exactly, other than being condescending ? That you waged a war to witness in flesh things that you were already able to witness by paying a simple visit before the war ? Or that there is a major difference if you control the planet where they lie no matter the cost ?


You may seek understanding but you end up failing tremendously at it. If you try to look at this from a viewpoint different to your own you might get behind the fact why ownership of someone's homeworld and cradle of cultural identity does indeed matter - and why mere tourism is not a realistic alternative.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#125 - 2012-06-20 17:22:07 UTC
Lyn Farel has ignored all warnings. She doesn't care if she upsets anybody, which is fairly usual for the IGS. I don't know why any of you continue to speak to her at this point. She isn't looking to understand anything.. she just wants to rustle your jimmies.

Katrina Oniseki