Warfare & Tactics

Short sighted - No Amarr means no plexes to run for LP in Amarr space. Caldari will have to face both Minmitar AND Gallente militias who want to plex to make isk/earn lp

SotF POCO takedown in Aivonen worked out as intended.

Snuff is a temp blue on certain caldari OPS. Thats tradition and no news. After, we KOS, thats tradition, also no news. So WBR needs not to do the maths if they see a combined Snuff/caldari fleet going for a WT POCO.

Best logical bet for WBR in that case: just stay out. Any kind of cyno not part of OPS is hostile ofc. (ironic input) Who am I telling this?

Your (WBR) outline : you wanted to aim on Snuff, at that given time a vital part of an caldari militia OPS, wings the caldari FC order to get rid of those cynos.

Everyone, whos not able to get behind that logic, just stay out of future (caldari/flashy pirate/ neutral caldari allies) joined OPS and political agreements pls. Understandable and easy as that. And I dont care who gave order to shoot friendlies, might it be in caldari fleet chat or Amarr or WBR chat.

All in all I take it as a wise move by WBR not to put more pressure on that OPS. Not bercause they couldnt, because they exactly knew what was going on.

Never the less, I take FGs given word not to shoot caldari, same as I gave mine.
(there are always occations here and there pvps shooting blue, cause of not following orders, fked up overview and what not. Veterans know the never ending same old storys).

Aivonen is not Nisuwa. And even on WBRs politics towards SotFs Nisuwa Base : not shooting blue, but rerep, I completely disagree. And that has nothing to do with a potential given order by caldari to kill WBR when it comes to that point. But thats nothing for the forums.

WBR has its roots and has grown entirely out of caldari militia. And we all were proud of that. 90% of their members have been in my fleets, FG my wingcommander. There was never a complain from caldari militia side facing that kinda devastating drain. History tells : WBR have been friends within caldari militia long before they grow friends with SotF.

And you are all wrong. There have been many situations where Amarr, and also WBR, helped Caldari Militia and the other way round. I personaly initiated along with FG the WT slapd POS takedown in enaluri, that was a pain in the a$$. And Caldari Militia have not been "clowns", instead we fielded a 35 man BS heavy support fleet.
And not long ago FG convoed me 2h before FW patch to save Kamela (was to late though to organise a propper Caldari Fleet) but reinforcements have been send ofc. I could also call that : wtf WBR "what clowns". But I didnt.

I for one, appriciate on high grade Damars efforts. Without him we, Caldari Milita, would have been in the same devastating situation like Amarr is right now. Instead we took 18 systems, lost 6 upfront patch, cause me and Damar saw it coming (no reset). I promised him Intaki at that time, and he came back. Me and IBS (Hidden Snake) promised Bad Messenger Ladistier, and he came back.

WBR dont underestimate the power of sheer membership numbers within a militia. You should have been aware of that, cause you once was a vital part of the uber Caldari Militia at that time. Its not all about CAPs. Gals already learned that lesson twice.

Im looking forward to our privat convo FG.

York Craft

We have been for the past few weeks and yet we are still taking systems and still holding onto our space. How is it that the "leaders" and the "best" Amarr FW corp have the time and resources to fly all the way to Caldari FW space to assist the enemy of their sister militia yet do not have the ability to re concur their own space?

It was known for quite a while that once the Caldari militia engaged in Sov warfare in Nisawa that we would be presented with the possibility of friendly Amarr militia members on the field activly assisting our enemy. This understanding was from WBR's own statements time and again along with the assurance that they would not help the Gallente outside of that system. Yet here you are activily assisting an enemy of the Caldari outside of Nisawa and the best excuse you can find is that you were helping to rid us of Snuff.

I hate to burst your bubble but Snuff Box has done more for the Caldari milita than all of the Amarr militia put together, instead of you showing up to assist the enemy and help kill your friendly militia under the guise of "helping your best friends" if you want to help them why not join the minni's or Gallente militias so you can actually help them instead of constantly proving to your friendly militia members that you cannot be trusted. I for one know that the majority of the Caldari milita does not want your help and can promise that if you show up on the field of battle with the Gallente that you will be killed right along with them. Since you have little to no respect for your friendly militia why should we have any for you.

As for this idea that we need to be friends and accept it because the big bad minni blob will come take our space if you fall I only have one question. While we fight both militia's will the Amarr finally make an effort to dig themselves out of the hole they are in or will they just come remote rep both the minni's and the Gal's?

I was also told in conversation that wbr was not even aware that Caldari was on the field or helping Snuff. Yet, I heard clearly in enemy comms when it was said "Squids are on the field and not shooting Snuff".

Now, I am not an expert but if you have covert ops alt, watching the battle for 20-30 minutes and during all that time, the drake swarm only unloads missiles at gallente carriers, you MIGHT make a quess that "perhaps these guys are working together".

I dont think anyone can be that dump so I only quess that Wbr was lured into the operation with express intention by the gallente to get into friendly fire incident with all the ensuing shitstorm. If we take wbr's word for it that they didnt know Caldari were on the field or blue to Snuff.

And as for smackers in this thread. We dont need it. We are Caldari and do things our way. Dignity, integrity and stiff upper lip. To put it bluntly, respect that blue jersey you wear

And to CCP. When you put uniforms to NEX store, I want my luftwaffe hat to complete my fascist look, plz.

We already have no Amarr aside from WB whom we have to shoot at and Minmatar farmers all already over our space.. What else is new? We however haven't given up and are now beating the Gals & the hoards of 2 day old Minmatar alts back with heavy sticks.

I'd suggest that the rest of Amarr out side WB start doing their best to assist Caldari and making friends. We are winning our war slowly but there will become a time you will eventually want support to help take back your space.

Do you think Wolfsbrigrade is gonna help you spin down all those timers?

We are Caldari, you assist or enemies..1+1=2 just about anywhere,even in Kamela I hope..

Mutinin is spot on

Wait really? You mean you guys all think your winning?

No ~space-honoure~

- Capitol One.
- Honourable spacewarrior

Edit:

Also, calling bullshit on all the rage that W-BR came to help SOTF kill Caldari pilots. W-BR was working with SOTF to killl Snuff and some Supercaps, may I remind you all that it was the Caldari militia that shot W-BR pilots, not the other way around.

So quit your whining, seriously.

I agree. But enemy caps > supercaps in my book.

Unlike you, I dont have gallente friends (And I dont want them, past history and all that) and to me, destruction of my enemy trumps pretty much every other consideration.