Warfare & Tactics

Figured i'd write a summary of Aivonen battle here.

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FC pinged that we had possible supercap kill coming (lies!) and was asking every swinging d.ck to join the fleet.
I left my soon to be ex-home in Tannolen and joined fleet (in drake since nagas and whatnot were not deemed sturdy enough for coming fight). The target soon became clear. Our hated enemy Shadows of the Federation had a poco in Aivonen which Snuff box had reinforced.

I had witnessed day before in Tannolen how Sotf gang was killed by Snuff so my interest peaked. It also turned out we would not merely be a wild card but be temporarily blue to snuff for the fight. Caldari fleet soon numbered a solid 20+ bc/logi and random smaller boats (Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant) with more people joining.

It appeared that Sotf was merely baiting with several carriers on pantheon setup on poco, repairing each other.
So it appeared situation would escalate. I logged on spy to gallente fleet comms. They were being told that gallente
quite bluntly told they would be sacrificial lambs/meatshields to tackle Snuff machariels and would not expect
any repairs from carriers. In addition, they would be helping Amarr wartargets.

Putting another spy in this comfirmed that Wolfsbrigade, the Amarr corp who had said they would not "shoot blues" (= Caldari militia) outside of Nisuwa system occupancy was ready to join the fight in Okkamon.

Undeterred, caldari fleet moved into position and started pounding on the numerous archons and thannies on the field.
I had to quench the urge to start laughing when enemy comms said "Primary Damar" and see hundreds of millions of isk worth of fighters/drones move on the my hapless drake, only to shot down by in glorious salvoes of heavy missile fire.

Situation then escalated and Snuff's allied supercapitals warped at range to hit at carriers. Unified Snuff/Caldari
fleet finally started to break the repair cycles and one of the Sotf Archons piloted by goddesbshunter went down. I am also fairly sure another thanatos piloted by Nonah was hitting structure but it's fate seems uncertain. Maybe it got away then.

At this moment wolfsbrigade decided to play their hand and their pilgrim appeared at the middle of the Caldari fleet. Since they were willing to help their designated war targets, he was promptly shot down before much harm could happen. Another cyno appeared and soon wolfsbrigade brought more carriers to field to save their "enemy" and attempt to snag the supercarriers.

At this moment, the gallente meatshield fleet also landed on field and caldari fleet warped out in apparent panic. This was not to be however as Caldari went to Akidagi gate where even more war target allies, in form of Shadow Cartel, were bringing in hictors to keep the supercarriers tackled. This was unacceptable and Caldari managed to intercept these reinforcements. For reasons unknown, Cartel also cynoed in an Archon next to the gate.

Meanwhile in Poco, gallente meatshield fleet had been annihilated for a loss of few Snuff machariels (lots of pods went to akidagi). Supers had been safely removed from the field and it for some reason wolfsbrigade disappeared as well. Snuff warped in to shoot at shadow cartel archon while caldari brought their neuting battleships from reserve to suck it dry and archon soon died.

It was not over quite yet as two dreadnoughts from unified Amarr/Gallente fleet were still in poco. Both were tackled
and drakes/machariels started ripping into them. A Moros belonging to Markonia Smith succeeded in self-destructing while on structure while Moros piloted by Mattheus Alixon did not and died in ball of fire.

After this, Sotf poco was taken down and field looted, after which temp blues with Snuff were dropped. Full report might be tad hard to find due to numerous combatants involved but kills in Aivonen in Eve-kill are here.

All in all it would appear the result was the following:

Friendly losses:

4 x machariel
blackbird
stabber
manticore
drake
looting bestower killed after fightt (derp!)

Hostile losses were:

2 x Moros (1 self-destructed)
2 x Archon
Faction fitted vindicator
several hacs, recons and hictors
10 battlecruisers
Frigs, cruisers, dessies...
1 x planetary customs office

This is how I saw the whole fight and if people can correct me on what happened with caldari side in comms, do say so. I was too busy lurking in enemy comms

Nice work from all included. Gallente/Amarr were no doubt expecting a triumphant smackdown on their part but in the end Snuff/Caldari held the field. Mad props to Snuff for it. Now we can go back to usual instalocking gate camps I quess

amarr working with gallentee to kill caldari. i think its time public executions were re-introduced back into amarr militia.

Who are you again? Whoever you are : reading comprehension 0/10


And also: moar targets \o/

Your reply and failing attempts at justifying yourself deeply amuses me Damar:

1) nobody implied or cares whether you were FC or not;

2) ofc the FC didn't say that - because unlike us who clearly said on comms 'don't engage caldari' - the FC (whose name we both know) was drooling on getting some FATE/SOTF killmails, drooling so much in fact that supercap kills all of a sudden became irrelevant to him;

3) we always went from the premise, as obvious in previous statements, that unless caldari would have a go at flipping Nisuwa occupancy we'd not shoot them - clearly caldari never felt the same.

In fact, looking through eve-kill, no caldari ship was shot by any FATE/W-BR person, however our cyno's were immediately killed by caldari forces. Now, of course, you can pretend that we wanted to drop more caps on your kitchen-sink fleet and not on snuff supers and see who believes your political drivel.

4) I remember putting expensive things on the line many times for caldari (Harroule Bunker which ended up in a dead supercap and not thanks to you; SP-DR pos in enaluri which when you attempted to R/F it made yourselves look like clowns btw). Now when has caldari ever actually put anything on the line for us?

5) Neutral supercaps, yes absolutely. Neutral supercaps who are so neutral in fact that they have been slaughering you day in day out for years. But yeah neutral, absolutely. Also caps > supercaps everyday, all day.

No signing your post with your rank? Damar, son, i'm disappointed.

I mean honestly, if you want to shoot us, just let us know we'll be more than happy to oblige. More targets is more targets after all and you should know by now that we don't take this whole FW mechanics too seriously but rather fly and fight with friends and kill those who are not friends.

So I was the reason you guys left initially from this front? That's news to me. Especially since afterwards you invited me to your operations many times without a hint of malice and I was happy to help you and flew with you many times during my self-imposed Dal exile.

And here I thought I was just doing the carebeary plexing stuff and flying around in lol-boats.

Indeed not, we have in-fact welcomed and prospered thanks to your help and advice in the past, and you were never a motivating factor for us leaving the Caldari militia. We have however become concerned about the anti-Wolfsbrigade propaganda that seems now to be high on your agenda (c.ntsbrigade).

The combined militia are on the verge of something potentially very potent, but mistrust and misunderstanding are the current barriers preventing the required cooperation, and recent events have led us to believe that we're further than ever to having the required relationship to work coherently together.

In the past, we have blue'd with pirates to shoot the Gallente and got slated for it, then we blue'd with war targets to kill pirates and got slated for it. We will not dock when we find a superior force, but solve the problem in ways we deem necessary, and don't intend to apologise for those actions.

Woot moar militia drama, 4 caps and a vindi is a small price to pay to see another "omg traitors" thread :)

All kidding aside props to all involved, glory to the victors .

Nice work.

also lol at c.brigade trying and failing so hard at propaganda

[ 2012.06.15 13:03:15 ] sYnc Vir > shouldn't you be on the RP forums whining about pointless **** no one but you care about?

Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted c.ntsbrigade then.

It's funny to see wolf trying to reconcile with cal mil after so many years of pissing on it. Do you honestly think we are going to come dig you out of your hole? Amarr will be wiped off the lowsec map, and not a single Caldari tear will be shed.