EVE General Discussion

So in other words, if dying in EVE had no consequences whatsoever, you could zerg rush nullsec to death? Well uh, ok? How insightful of you to point that out.

Except... we have Insurance in nullsec too, you know. So you'd kill us, and we'd reship immediately because we keep entire fleets worth of ships on contract to reship in, and we'd just meatgrinder whatever pubbie "Highsec PVPer" tried to show up to try to ruin our day.

also increase npc corp tax to like 40%

Change the contract system to allow Hi-sec players to move your stuff to and from null alliance areas.

Like a blue status to get there and back on a contract, and if you shoot them they keep the payout as well as the collateral. So no shooting blues.

Some other ideas to bring Hi-sec player into your Alliance area to do more of your boring work could also work.

Don't know about that bro, our corp lives in null, have done for years, and we have no station or POS-access. We're even casual players and barely the 'elite fulltime players' people envision living in null. Our impressive kb claims 12 kills June, 15 May, 21 April etc (there's more not posted tho, hehe).

My point is; players are too scared to even try it. We just moved out and do our thing, don't give a **** about anyone else. No blue, we shoot people in the face if we feel like it, and play it casual. "can't really do a great deal" = If we want we shoot NPCers and roaming PvPers. Otherwise we might just shoot NPC's. There's plenty to do.

I think the real issue for roaming, smallscale PvP, is a combination of things:
Jumpbridges (blobs can get to you instantly), blobs (be more than two pilots and everyone and their uncle will come and poke you with a stick), and how blobs are encouraged and so profitable (upgraded sov fortresses, espec combined with JBs).

Make beltratting and beltmining > missions and incursions, and remove the stupid sov upgrade fortress boosts that just blob up massive HQ's, and you will find that people start to spread out again. As for people wanting POS/Station access, that's only a mentality issue, nothing wrong with current game mechanics. I.e. blame players for that, and players would have to want to change to have it change.

I personally don't think moving stuff from highsec to null is the way to go. It's easy, lazy and rarely works as intended.

Have some imagination people! Would you rather expand the game to have more features, or just re-shuffle what's there already?

One suggestion I heard which I thought was pretty good was that of raidable moon mining POS's. Where it is possible for roaming gangs to attack a moon-mining pos and claim some of the minerals for themselves, whilst reducing the income of larger alliances.

Newbie point of view:

After learning the basics in Highsec I joined a player corp that lives in low-sec and the edge of low-sec.



Can't agree with your irony here - not sure when a system is considered being "busy" and yeah, the low-sec systems I usually visit aren't full like Hek with its 200 or so people, but they are active enough for me, at least so active that I always have to be on the lookout (sometimes not good enough...), I recognized a war going on between two quiet active low-sec companies, traders are coming through that could be a target once I manage to build this 30 Rifters (plan from my starting days, when I thought being independent was a good idea).

Right now I can't imagine going into Nullsec, though, not even to roam there. A couple of people I know tried to do a roam there and got killed in this bubble-thing (which I didn't really understood yet) at the first gate-camp they met. Didn't really sound like I will try this in the near future.





Maybe the problem is that the game has much developed since the "good ol' days" - people now are in highly organized corporations, that have "entire fleets worth of ships on contract" and will "meatgrind" (= kill them with overwhelming numbers?) every single or small roaming gang that dares to enter their systems. Maybe that kind of organization wasn't there in the "good ol' days" and even as a single or small group PVPer you could kill successfully targets in Nullsec. But you can't reverse that - it's an accomplishment that people managed to get this grade of organization.

Misanth's post arouse my interest, though - maybe it IS still possible to survive even as a small roaming gang in Nullsec, that would contradict my impression. I wonder how you manage to do that, though - where do you get your ships and stuff, for instance? And is it really more fun to do that in Nullsec as it would be in Lowsec - where you might have more targets and less organization?

(As said, my "knowledge" about Nullsec is from forum only and my first-hand "knowledge" of Lowsec is 2 weeks )


TDLR: Newbie thinks Lowsec is alive and fun to be in but can't imagine ever going into Nullsec.

Do this, and make it much easier to take over someone's undefended space. Voila, vibrant, bustling nullsec.

Let's see. We can't manufacture well enough to outperform probably even almost the shittiest hisec system, in deklein, we have to move ore to a special refinery station and then move it to a second system to actually manufacture things in it. We don't have anything which really enables us to mine stuff locally quicker, so it's much easier to just compress and import, or even just buy whole ships and import. And up until the last half year or a year, hisec has been more or less 100% safety (outside of hulkageddon) for miners, and with a few minor precautions by manufacturers, 100% safety for them as well.

Gee, I wonder why industrialists prefer to stay in hisec. The reason completely eludes me.

'Semi-pro' may be the wrong phrase to use, but null is generally not for casual players.

I've been part of a alliance with a nullsec presence and it became a real pain to log-on and play for a couple of hours. By the time all of the comms channels were up and running, the intel chat was open, and the corp chat, and the alliance chat, and then requests for intel came in every 5 seconds, then a CTA was called and we sat in a station for two hours waitng for the FC's to decide whether to undock...and then it was time to log off for the night, and I'd actually done nothing!

Maybe if you're deep in null surrounded by blues it might be different, but each time I've tried living in null it wasn't like that.

Maybe null/lo/high should be done away with? Just have space, and Concord in every system but without the insta-kill ability...giving players the ability to go anywhere, but with a certain level of risk at all times?

Just saying.

even though going solo is not advised in eve it is perfectly doable in hisec and thus hisec is appealing to what i believe is a vast majority of hisec players. i know i'm missing out on the social aspect that eve is supposed to be about, but i like to be on my own schedule, play when i want to play and do what i want to do. i don't want to feel obligated to skill this or that or fly this ship or "be here at this time so we can blow those guys up" or "why aren't you defending this? drop what you are doing and come help!" my vision of null may very well be just a hisec players vision of what nullsec is, but is probably a vision shared amongst most of the hisec community, valid or not.

clearly i don't really have experience in null, but here is another point, - i have always said to myself i will go to null/join null corp when i've *had more experience* i'm sure you understand the paradox of logic here... i think a lot of hi sec players also feel this way as well.

sorry for WoW reference. in WoW the 1-10 zones stopped giving experience at lvl 14 or so, in eve you can stay in the 1-10 zone FOREVER...

my solution? make mining far less lucrative in hisec, but make the change g r a d u a l. start taking out mission agents, start replacing many hi sec systems with low sec ones. start making the remaining hisec systems STRICTLY for new players perhaps make the belts and agents only accessable to < 3 months old characters... we shouldn't "live" in hisec - and this is coming from a hisec player.... i would adapt if i had to