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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2012-06-20 04:12:34 UTC
Xython wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.

1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.

2) It would be impossible to enforce.

Not really. CCP could just refuse to allow more than one character per account.

But if they did this, the tinfoil hat crowd would vanish off the forums due to a single guy not being able to switch names every 2-3 weeks when everyone's successfully ignored him to death.

Your forums alt would need it's own account, too. Quite a predicament for some posters here...

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#22 - 2012-06-20 04:15:59 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
I have 3 account 1 miner 1 main pvp and 1 transport open in every 3 screens i have multi tasking for the win lol. Nah just make the game a little bit easyer for me. Nothing special about it i think many people have this setup.


I think you sir have the most usual setup. Maybe PI to improved certs in each would round it out, and of course industrial III to move the PI.
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#23 - 2012-06-20 04:16:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Your forums alt would need it's own account, too. Quite a predicament for some posters here...


Specially those who work for CCP :)
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RAP ACTION HERO
#24 - 2012-06-20 04:34:51 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.


Well, now that I'm the Lord of a high security Pub, that calls for a celebration.



"Barmaid, a large mug of Quafe Ultra Special Edition for everyone in the house."



can you take that back to the like and get liked thread

vitoc erryday
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#25 - 2012-06-20 04:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicky Somers
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.


Or perhaps the other way around...

What's the difference between an alt and a main anyway? The term main has no meaning in a game like Eve. In a theme park MMO where progress is measured by gear, a main makes sense. There is no way to measure progress in Eve. I often play more on my alts than I do on my mains.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-20 05:01:24 UTC
Just as a little side thing...anytime CCP does something to try and draw in more money without a positive impact on space, players shut it down.

Explain the positive aspects of alts.

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#27 - 2012-06-20 05:03:45 UTC
Degren wrote:
Just as a little side thing...anytime CCP does something to try and draw in more money without a positive impact on space, players shut it down.

Explain the positive aspects of alts.


I suggest you start a new thread then. It is actually a good - but separate - question.
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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-20 05:07:48 UTC
It's not, really.

It's stated in your post that alts won't go away because CCP makes money off them, but several other projects of theirs have, so...since the idea is so lolworthy, why are alts worth keeping around?

What significant benefit do they bring to the game?

Hello, hello again.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#29 - 2012-06-20 05:12:28 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.

1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.

2) It would be impossible to enforce.


I doubt CCP would make much more money, they might end up losing money as people quit the game. I've got 7 active accounts, all slots full from cap builders, to the odd price checker alt that isn't used much. If they stopped 3 chars per account would I open up extra accounts for the odd occasion I used a cap builder or price checker?? Hell no, I'd quit, as it would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#30 - 2012-06-20 05:20:48 UTC
Degren wrote:
It's not, really.

It's stated in your post that alts won't go away because CCP makes money off them, but several other projects of theirs have, so...since the idea is so lolworthy, why are alts worth keeping around?

What significant benefit do they bring to the game?


They allow:

1) Wardec avoidance

2) Espionage

3) Market PVP

4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)

5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc

6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)

7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.

The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-06-20 05:27:56 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:

They allow:

1) Wardec avoidance

2) Espionage

3) Market PVP

4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)

5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc

6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)

7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.

The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.



Let's see...

1) Meh

2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel

3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares P

4) agreed

5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore

6) Meh

7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#32 - 2012-06-20 06:09:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


Let's see...

1) Meh

2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel

3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares P

4) agreed

5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore

6) Meh

7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped



1) You are not a carebear then, but we are talking any use. Station camping while moving in an alt is #1 carebear trick. In fact, I used to collect tears from "mercs" by following them around in a velator in an npc corp alt. So salty!

2) You do not understand deep espionage then, which requires bypassing API checks, generating a persona etc.

3) I mean in the sense that you can enhance the opportunities by adding hundred of extra orders and dozens of more contracts

4) :)

5) They do to FW and role play people - hence this is a reason for people to pay for alts, which is the question. It is awkward to be Caldari in a Gallente militia, aint it? As to gender, again roleplay. Most of us dont care and are dudes with girl avatars, but some of us like variety.

6) Then you don't know how to solo mine with an orca, a hauler and a hulk. :)

7) True, but we are talking in general. I know people who dont pvp for half the year doing PI and then stop all PI and go and play.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-20 06:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


Let's see...

1) Meh

2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel

3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares P

4) agreed

5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore

6) Meh

7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped



1) You are not a carebear then, but we are talking any use. Station camping while moving in an alt is #1 carebear trick. In fact, I used to collect tears from "mercs" by following them around in a velator in an npc corp alt. So salty!

2) You do not understand deep espionage then, which requires bypassing API checks, generating a persona etc.

3) I mean in the sense that you can enhance the opportunities by adding hundred of extra orders and dozens of more contracts

4) :)

5) They do to FW and role play people - hence this is a reason for people to pay for alts, which is the question. It is awkward to be Caldari in a Gallente militia, aint it? As to gender, again roleplay. Most of us dont care and are dudes with girl avatars, but some of us like variety.

6) Then you don't know how to solo mine with an orca, a hauler and a hulk. :)

7) True, but we are talking in general. I know people who dont pvp for half the year doing PI and then stop all PI and go and play.


So it's a battle of wits then.... ok.

1) Alts are accounted for by that one weird guy that's sitting there....

2) Regular alts work fine, a simple employment history of trustworthy performance works better Blink (no way I'd know that from personal experience though... I just know a guy that knows a guy)

3) I do that anyway

4) Big smile <--- bigger smile

5) I haz 1 male avatar... Stomp Beefnog, except I just used that guy to get a name from Space Mutiny before they were all taken P

6) I haz mining 1! I know how to mine X

*Edit: Forgot #7.... how the hell do you PI for 6 months? Ugh

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#34 - 2012-06-20 07:21:16 UTC
You kind of invented the problem so the solution was easy.

Besides, I can open an account with no information, feed it Plex in game with jet cans and there is really no way in the world to track the account. I'm sure if the law required it, they could do it but for the sake of banning alts? No, not practical.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-20 07:32:20 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
They allow:

1) Wardec avoidance

2) Espionage

3) Market PVP

4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)

5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc

6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)

7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.

The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.



I know what they allow...why are any of these things good for the health of the game?

Hello, hello again.
Gilat Sumat
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-06-20 07:52:21 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.


Wrong... Actually, some of us "hi sec publords" have not forgotten where we started even though we've all created null sec pvp alts...Pirate
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-06-20 08:42:30 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.


Aww look a pubby learned how to talk. go back to your corner null bear wannabe and do what your suppose to. Be that goon pet meat shield
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#38 - 2012-06-20 08:57:04 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.




Do you know what 'publord' means?


/me checks this persons corp ticker


Oh yes, it means you.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#39 - 2012-06-20 13:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:


Except, as I mentioned, there is no legal way for CCP to ensure a single person doesn't control multiple accounts except requiring IDs to open and manage accounts and to plex them up etc.


Even that won't happen because what's to stop me opening up an account in my wife's name, my kids' names, my parents' names, my siblings' names, my friends' names, etc etc etc, all with permission of the aforementioned persons? (I'll pay you $20 a month for it if you just pay the $13/month bill).

CCP would have to physicially ensure that these people were present and playing the game in order to avoid this.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#40 - 2012-06-20 13:48:16 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.


Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason.

However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew.


I remember seeing a bio about this....

Gate camping in a hic: 200 mil isk.
Bottle of bicardi: 20$

Killing your own indy alt hauling in 2 billion worth if pos mods for your corp: priceless
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