EVE General Discussion

I've mentioned several times in other posts, that I think all NPC's should have to be killed to complete a plex. If you combine removing EW with killing all NPC's that's decent fix to the farming issues of noob alts.

It then means that people have to fly ships capable of running the plexes but it doesn't mean they will fight or not farm. It just moves the farming from noob alts in Vigils to more skilled alts.


Also the timer running backwards would be a nice touch, as it would help quite a lot with the undesirable job of defending systems.


Today I killed a noob farmer alt and in less than 10 mins he was already reshipped and back to farming the same plex. He of course ran from me the 1st time and I got lucky catching him at the planet he ran to. I figured it wasn't worth the effort to chase a second time...

At the very least having the timer run backwards would of made him have to start over again.

Plexes aren't meant to be a PVE activity..

Requiring all the rats to be killed is helpful and I support it. But its not the begin all and end all. We need to make plexxing the pvp mechanic that decides sov where as missions are the pve activity.

Missions are pve in faction war. I don't mind that people try to run missions and warp off when pvpers come. That is how pve in low sec is supposed to work.

Plexxing should be about pvp.

If we must shoot all the rats people will just use larger ships with a cloak and mwd to get by gate camps in low sec. It will be an improvement in that it will be closer in theory to pvp. However they will still warp off when pvp comes- unless they can fully fit their ships for pvp (the rats are nerfed) and the efficiency of running plexes is better for those who stay and fight instead of those who warp off. We are a far way off from that right now.

2 changes could bring us much closer:

1) The timer countdown idea (the timer starts counting back down to zero automatically when you get chased out of a plex) and

2) a notification when complexes are attacked

are what we need. Once they make these changes, efficient plexing will likely require pvp.

If they do make these changes and plexing does in fact require pvp then ccp should increase the amount of lp that plexing pays. Because overall I can still make more lp per hour running missions than I can running plexes. And if they make the plexing really involve pvp then there will be more risk.

Just be careful what you wish for. This is what the Incursion folks wanted to help balance out the sites: NMC was never run because you basically had to kill every NPC, OTA was blitzed because you could kill just four NPCs to complete the site. So CCP rebalanced it to require all ships to be killed, then added more dangerous ships into the mix. OTA went from "baby can do it" to "deadly". The word "subtle" does not appear in the CCP vocabulary. The only "adjustment" tool they have is a 500lb hammer.



If you want PvP, just stick around the site long enough to get that time down due to your presence. This opens the situation up to games of defenders spreading out their forces to reclaim sites, with strike teams from the attackers claiming sites and heading out to attack the small forces left behind to reclaim sites.



That's a worthwhile effort.

Not really. This thread exists because the npcs are unbalanced.

However the real test for ccp is not to make occupancy plexing a balanced pve game. It is to make it a balanced pvp game. They need to keep their eyes on that long term goal. IMO spending allot of time improving the rats ai really does not move things any closer to that goal.

CCP doesnt care about who wins and loses, nor are they specifically changing anything at the moment just to favor one side or another, even if they're the underdog.

The E-war change is happening for one reason and one reason alone - many in the community have rightfully complained that the NPC E-war is a PvP deterrent, and interferes with PvP engagements that would be had if not for the NPC interference. The CSM took this feedback to the summit, we asked them to look into what it took to remove E-War, they did, and now its being implemented.

Won't solve a damn thing. If there is one thing that is obvious is that 99.9% of the plexers aren't there to PVP but just to farm LP and warp out as soon as you are in their plex. The only satisfaction you can get is from the odd whining plex'ers who end up complaining about how you suck for trying to prevent them to farm winmatar LP.

Plex's were nice for PVP before the patch because people who did them usually wanted PVP, those who wanted LP's did missions. Now no one does missions and all the PVE'ers went to plexing.

You know what would really inspire PVP? Remove the LP rewards from plex'ing and nerf missions and double the LP rewards from kills. But i guess this might get exploited as insurance repay + LP might be worth more than the ship.
OR make defending a plex just worth as much as attacking one. Because right now you have one party, the one capping, who can earn like 40mill isk per minor (if he does it right and is winmatar) and the other one who gets (almost) nothing for defending it. So why waste countless efforts to prevent someone whos fit is designed to run from you to eventually get nothing?