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Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-06-19 22:09:13 UTC
splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...
Molinator Agnon
Oruze Cruise
#122 - 2012-06-19 22:19:12 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...

you can hunt the hunters with kill rights - you do have a whole month.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-06-19 22:21:42 UTC
Molinator Agnon wrote:
you can hunt the hunters with kill rights - you do have a whole month.

Unless you're dumb and make sure you get on the killmail, which a lot of them do by having the drones out and set to aggressive mode.

Oh well sucks to be them

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-06-19 22:32:57 UTC
You want to quit? Quit. Don't? Then don't. I seriously doubt anyone will lose any sleep over it.

Questions are asked here by people who a) either know the answer already, or b) don't care about the answer but want to stir up the usual crap that's allowed on the Forums here. Most of us (myself included) don't give a crap.

You want a game that's all pew, all the time? There is a metric crap-ton of them out there, just browse any Xbox or PS3 forum. We'll throw you a party when you leave.

Pissed that EveO isn't THAT? Too bad. Get over it, or leave. Yes, most people abuse the "sandbox" analogy because they truly don't have a friggin' clue what it means, and insist that it means whatever supports their argument.

Me? It's a friggin' game. I do what I like, and there's lots to like here. The forums are a place I go when I'm at work and can't play. I got sick and tired off the drama crap from large corps, the demands to "fleet up or else!", and the endless station and gate camping. I'll spend my time how I like, and if it affects someone else positively or negatively, so be it.

Some of you need to stop trying to read more into this universe than is there. It's a game. Like it or don't. Leave it or don't.

But quit whining about it on the Forums.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#125 - 2012-06-19 22:34:32 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
..........I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.


CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.

CCP Prism X wrote:
.........Can't we all just hug and be happy (and then start the backstabbing and looting as is customary in New Eden)?


Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#126 - 2012-06-19 22:38:17 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:

Is it time to split the game in two?

k, let's see

Oxford Longman wrote:

Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff

We call this one STO

Oxford Longman wrote:

and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

And this one EVE

That ok for you?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#127 - 2012-06-19 22:40:01 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top.

That's because it's a bunch of ******* trolling on both sides.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-06-19 22:52:52 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:
Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)


This thread should've been titled "Time to kill the game?"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-06-19 22:53:32 UTC
Or "TIme to get out"

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#130 - 2012-06-19 22:55:27 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top.

That's because it's a bunch of ******* trolling on both sides.


And half of each side is from the same group(s) trying to stir up trouble in the barrio just to see what that dog-gammed chopper can do.

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Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2012-06-19 23:08:20 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
..........I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.


CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.

CCP Prism X wrote:
.........Can't we all just hug and be happy (and then start the backstabbing and looting as is customary in New Eden)?


Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?



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Perkone
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-06-19 23:08:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Or "TIme to get out"

that ship has sailed

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Perkone
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-06-19 23:09:06 UTC
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#134 - 2012-06-19 23:17:24 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
And half of each side is from the same group(s) trying to stir up trouble in the barrio just to see what that dog-gammed chopper can do.

The only meta-gaming that actually happens around here is trying to get people to stop reading GD because of all the shitposting. Try figuring out the hidden agenda for that one...

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Daddy Thundercock
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2012-06-19 23:19:05 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
The problem is this the forums and people tend to create controversy here or at least try too.

So there are very few threads that are actually truthful.
Most of them are just people trying to stir things up.

It would not surprise me for one minute if one thread that says OMG I got ganked I quit and another that states carebears go away are actually made by the same person.

There is a reason why most of the player base doesn't bother to read the forums.
They just can't be bothered to sift through all the garbage.





Probably the smartest thing I've read on the forums yet......agreed 100%, I try to avoid the forums as well and actually DISCOURAGE my corpmates from bothering with the forums because of all the trolls, nerd rage, and other garbage that is rampant on the forums. If people could maybe retain some sense of common decency the moment they log on then maybe this game would be like 100000000000000% better. Instead it's just like when I worked IT support: customers lose all sense of common decency the moment they got on the phone; the same stands true for eve online and the eve online forums.

Just sayin, if people could act right and maybe try to translate some of the general rules of living in a society to the game then that would fix most of the problems, but instead you will always have trolls, nerd rage, and asshats that will treat new players like they're a disease rather than someone who could be respected, taught, and become very useful.

And this isn't may alt, it's my main, I, for one, have the stones to post as my main if I'm going to say something.....
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#136 - 2012-06-19 23:40:50 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:
Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)


Trammel and Felucca?

No Fking Way

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#137 - 2012-06-19 23:42:08 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...


And why can't they hunt the hunters?

There is no reason at all besides they won't.

Can't != Won't

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#138 - 2012-06-19 23:49:39 UTC
An additional PVE server would be a quite nice idea as long as there's no possibility to transfer anything between both servers.

You can only buy PVE-Plex for PVE server isk etc..

That way, whiny PVE players would finally realize how idiotic their demands are.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#139 - 2012-06-20 00:10:06 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits?


A game with consensual PVP only is not even vaguely eve-like.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#140 - 2012-06-20 00:17:41 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
An additional PVE server would be a quite nice idea as long as there's no possibility to transfer anything between both servers.

You can only buy PVE-Plex for PVE server isk etc..

That way, whiny PVE players would finally realize how idiotic their demands are.



Not sure who would cry first, the ones doing what they like to peacefully or the ones lacking of easy targets that most probably can't even shoot back, because low sec is full of bad red skulls and null is a single massive blob as soon as you enter some null system, CCP killed their game blahblahblah idiots rage quiting and returning a few months latter like a fresh mademoiselle "hello what's up"

Would find this very interesting to fowlow.

brb