Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Logging off should not be a safe haven for you. I should be allowed to go into your clone vat bay and continue to kill you until you are back to using an alpha clone. Rob your entire hanger bay and empty out your wallets.

5-6) If you'd done more than skim read my posts you'd realise I do not want to declare war on individuals, or on NPC corps. Nor do I wish to removed NPC corps.

7) Its not paranoia, I've done it. I know people who do it. If you'd ever been in a null sec corp with permadecs you'd probably know them too.

8) Again, completely irrelevant given the mechanics changes I proposed.

Read 5-6 again. Slowly. I am talking about player owned corps.

And read 7 again. Slowly. I am describing exactly that use.

In 5-6 you clearly state NPC corps. "NPC corps cannot disapear", "they play", "wardecs against NPC corps", "example of jumping into an NPC corp" etc.

At no point do you mention player corps.

Similarly with 7, if you were talking about the reasons people hide in NPC corps then I suspect you meant "it is because of"? Instead of "it is sheer paranoia"? The second has a different meaning, suggesting that it is sheer paranoia to believe that players hide in NPC corps.

Anyway, it seems we mostly agree and we're just arguing over typos, semantics and the OP's stupidity.

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They're crying because NPC alts or simply players but yeah, well known a 3 year old toon with JF skills it's an OBVIOUS idiot alt that should load at minimum 200bill of stuff, yep...read forums is optional ask questions too the it's obvious everyone buys 7+ bilion ship to haul crap and moves raound like in some velator, yep, indeed *shakes head*

They're already crying because: atm Hulks were far too profitable for high sec, badly tanked, and high sec miners are all bots.
Indeed, it's so obvious, I mean how can someone not even think about this? HS+Miner= Bot it's not rocket science /facepalm
Whenever those procurers with batttleship ehp are going to hit TS what will be their next stupid excuse for tears?

Those whiners incapable to adapt to whatever always pointing someone's internet pixels gaming lack of knowledge with laughs are actually the biggest emoragers.

They can't kill rookies: rivers of tears and pathetic thread incoming ASAP, because it's important stuff.

They can't can flip/bait rookies: rivers of tears and pathetic arguments even a psychopath would hardly find, but they do well.

They can't define themselves what a rookie is: because they don't want to assume consequences of their acts and want big muma to hold their hand, witch leads to obvious whining and pathetic threads/quality posting even I couldn't ever get to -and you know I'm not bad at trolling internet anonymous honour/feelings

Wait, Concord exploit a few months back: another ocean of tears ladies and gents!! -get your Ray Ban and coco oil

Moral of this thread, summer is going to be hot and we're not going to miss tears for our swimming pool drunken party's

Hit tha music plz

Don't take internet pixels too seriously sweet blonde babe, those are just words and if you take a close look you'll see more of general terms response for some group that always uses general terms to justify the importance of their crusade.
It's a 50-50 game of words for pixels, but if you ever felt blessed yourself because of those accept my sincere apologies, I'm not here to insult any one (for free), just to have some fun because Eve OForums are awesome too to role play a little bit.
Of course I play the obvious troll role



I can perfectly agree on this, my first goal when I started to get Eve dependant (yep I'm also Eve junky on top of troll) was to be part of some heavy fleet/industrial escort, I couldn't see it in any other way and my first plan was Megathron/Blasters !!
(but then figured out one month later how crap those were and was flying shield Brutixes/shield Myrmidons with lazors!!)

Jump freighters and jump bridges just killed all the game play around travelling to make those important tasks banalities and almost impossible to catch, therefore impacting on everyone ability to denies resources/gods trading etc

It must be not fun at all to make 50 jumps out of null sec with some freighter and 20/30 man escort for peanuts or almost nothing when this time could be better invested on doing something more fun.

Witch leads me to this conclusion hoping you understand a little bit my point of view about alts in high sec and what I think are false/fake arguments.

*Significantly increase trading taxes, market fees in high sec and decrease proportionally in low/null sec doesn't mean we're going to see pop here and there Jita islands everywhere in null sec where everyone is a good boy and comes get his Tengu, but it's a good step to reinforce low and null sec trading

*GANK high sec manufacturing/invention/research slots, increase cost and time to complete. Give some buff to these industry slots to low sec and significantly increase it in null, this will not solve neither neutral high sec alts but it's a good step to make people think about putting them in low or null rather than high sec because *margin get a kick in the balls*

*decrease number of moons available for POS anchoring, make those inactive being weak to hacking so this give also a little boost to those mini professions in high sec. Limit the number of possible POS industry modules and give those same base stats than NPC values (once it's balanced OC)
This will not solve high sec NPC alts issue but will help revitalise low and null sec without making impossible to live for those players choosing to stay in high sec.

If those 3 major points are taken seriously and revamp, then I'm almost sure 50% problems you or whoever else finds with high sec NPC neutral alts will completely disappear by themselves.
Of course these points and comments are not exhaustive, a lot more stuff needs to get in to account before ever touch whatsoever but I guess it's a good start.

What do you think?



I know that

You know, sometimes I forget who the other trolls are, then we start trolling one another and before we know it we have trolls trolling trolls of trolls. We should really come up with some kind of a list, or forum equivalent of a secret hand shake by which we can identify one another.

Anyway, you raise some interesting points. I shall reply to them forthwith, when I am not replying on my phone.

I had to laugh looking at your face and reading this, your first line.

maybe npc stations shouldn't be safe either.. and you shouldn't be safe in warp.. or safe when you are recustomizing your character ... or when you are logged out and in your bed at night... or......

This has been ranted about over and over.. there is a reason for NPC corps: new players need them and there needs to be a safe deposit corp for players that are forced out of a corp or that are not subscribed for a length of time and cannot choose a new corp for themselves. Like it or not they are necessary.

HAHAHA this must be a troll. Yes, lets allow people to wardec the newbs for a "higher fee" That happens and I'm literally gonna be sitting in an oracle with 50 friends popping every rookie that undocks in 1.0 space. They want people that like to pvp actually going into nullsec and lowsec to fight... Not just baitcanning newbs that dont know the game mechanics and plowing them.

As is frequently pointed out in these forums, you are never safe in Eve outside a station. If you really want to kill them go ahead. Just know in advance your're going to loose your ship. Suicide gankers do it all the time.