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Rare courier contract?

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Hook1971
Catalyst Industries
#1 - 2012-06-19 20:13:54 UTC
I decided to try to run my first courier contract. I picked up a courier contract last night (.02 m3). 7 jumps. 5 million isk collateral. 10 million isk reward. I would imagine that this would be an extremely rare occurrence as I was unable to find any others remotely close to this kind of reward. Is it possible that this was a NPC contract and that CCP sometimes throws them in from time to time to keep people interested? Of are all contracts strictly player run, and I got very lucky, or someone messed up?
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#2 - 2012-06-19 20:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Tesla
Hook1971 wrote:
I decided to try to run my first courier contract. I picked up a courier contract last night (.02 m3). 7 jumps. 5 million isk collateral. 10 million isk reward. I would imagine that this would be an extremely rare occurrence as I was unable to find any others remotely close to this kind of reward. Is it possible that this was a NPC contract and that CCP sometimes throws them in from time to time to keep people interested? Of are all contracts strictly player run, and I got very lucky, or someone messed up?

Sounds like someone unintentionally added a 0 (or two) to the reward. Maybe they added cents without adding a decimal point. To my knowledge (and you should be able to see it in the contract list) all contracts are issued by PCs or their corporations.

What was in the package?

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Hook1971
Catalyst Industries
#3 - 2012-06-19 20:47:57 UTC
I didnt look. Was afraid I would void the contract if I did. I'm still learning this process.
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#4 - 2012-06-19 20:57:05 UTC
Hook1971 wrote:
I didnt look. Was afraid I would void the contract if I did. I'm still learning this process.


You can now examine the contents of courier packages. When you click on the package, you should have two options:

1) One is to examine the contents
2) The other is to break the wrapping.

The first option (neither of which I currently remember the exact names for) is okay and will not void the contract. The second one will. I think there is still a warning pop up that will ask you if you really want to break the wrapping as well, as in most things in EVE that result in really bad stuff.

In any event, there are times where you may find that someone has not requested a sufficient amount of collateral to cover the value of the goods in the package. In those cases, it's sometimes in your interest to "lose" the package.

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Hook1971
Catalyst Industries
#5 - 2012-06-19 21:03:49 UTC
When I right clicked on the package, the only option was to "Open". Maybe it gives you more options when you click on open or something.
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#6 - 2012-06-19 21:13:02 UTC
Hook1971 wrote:
When I right clicked on the package, the only option was to "Open". Maybe it gives you more options when you click on open or something.


Did you try that before or after you accepted the contract? You should be able to examine the package once you physically have it in your possession.

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Hook1971
Catalyst Industries
#7 - 2012-06-19 21:25:58 UTC
After. I will try it on my next run. Hopefully I find a good one again. :)
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#8 - 2012-06-19 21:31:47 UTC
Hook1971 wrote:
After. I will try it on my next run. Hopefully I find a good one again. :)


Just note that it often works in reverse. I had a Corp mate who accepted a 5M collateral courier contract. When he looked inside... Caldari Navy Hookbill. Needless to say, he failed that one.

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Hook1971
Catalyst Industries
#9 - 2012-06-19 21:34:00 UTC
Thats what I heard. I will keep my eye out for those. Thanks for the info :)
Litair
Nleesh
#10 - 2012-06-20 02:10:55 UTC
Indeed, why would you ever want to do what you promised to another human being when you can be a backstabbing jerk instead and earn a bit extra?
You two should be slapped, especially Tesla :p
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#11 - 2012-06-20 03:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Tesla
Litair wrote:
Indeed, why would you ever want to do what you promised to another human being when you can be a backstabbing jerk instead and earn a bit extra?
You two should be slapped, especially Tesla :p

If you found a Battleship selling on the market for 1M ISK, would you not snap it up? Same thing.

Collateral is in the game for a reason.

...and anyway, considering some of the ridiculous collateral requirements out there, it's a bit karmic.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-20 06:30:09 UTC
Hans Tesla wrote:
If you found a Battleship selling on the market for 1M ISK, would you not snap it up? Same thing.

Collateral is in the game for a reason.

...and anyway, considering some of the ridiculous collateral requirements out there, it's a bit karmic.


Problem is that most players don't pick up those packages with high collateral. They only want low collateral packages they could steal. Collateral is there for reason. Would you want your stuff stolen by someone who looks ways to make easy isk?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-20 09:46:45 UTC
It IS a contract after all; you can courier it for them, or you can 'accept the sale' and take it for the price of the collateral

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#14 - 2012-06-20 11:13:36 UTC
I'm not saying it happens all the time, but some times... people are nice and you'll end up with a rather mundane task of moving a bunch of cheap items a handful of jumps for what amounts to a really nice tip. Look at how it works in real life, some times in the service industry you get jack **** as a tip and other times someone generous comes along and tips $10 on their order of a coffee and slice of pie.
Litair
Nleesh
#15 - 2012-06-20 11:36:47 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
It IS a contract after all; you can courier it for them, or you can 'accept the sale' and take it for the price of the collateral


Technically it is a "courier contract", as opposed to a regular item exchange contract ;)
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#16 - 2012-06-20 15:44:19 UTC
I've done a few courier contracts that could be done in a frigate in a few jumps for several million ISK. I don't think they are that rare. I just think they get snatched up quickly. That's why you don't see them often.

Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke.

Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#17 - 2012-06-20 16:18:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Problem is that most players don't pick up those packages with high collateral. They only want low collateral packages they could steal. Collateral is there for reason. Would you want your stuff stolen by someone who looks ways to make easy isk?

I'm not exactly sure whether you're disagreeing or not. I did say that collateral is there for a reason. If you know what you're doing, you're not going to be victimized by a ninja courier, as you'll set your collateral ask to an appropriate level.

I think saying "most players" is just a bit over broad, as well. Most players that are running Courier Contracts are running them for the reward. With that said, once you've accepted your 10th or 100th courier contract with a collateral requirement of 100M ISK that has you carring < 1M ISK worth of goods, you start to become a little jaded. Since the cost to the issuer of the Courier contract is totally divorced from the collateral ask (which I think should change), they can ask any amount they want. The Courier will have no clue whether the collateral is appropriate until they've agreed to take the shipment, at which point they're locked into the contract.

Because of this, "Ninja Couriering" (the act of attempting to identify courier contracts that would be more lucrative to fail than complete) is probably the least developed profession out there. That's not surprising since it contains the greatest imbalance in available information between the two potential participants (courier and issuer). With ganking, you can ship/cargo scan to determine the value of mods fitted/being carried. With ninja salvaging, you usually initially end up at the non-business end of an acceleration gate and can D-Scan to determine the type of wrecks in the mission. With Ninja Couriering, it often boils down to luck of the draw and market awareness. About the best you can do if you want to pursue this as a potential occupation, is identify the professioanl shippers who know what they're doing and those who consistently put up bait shipments and block them from your contract lists.

Ultimately, just like any other market transaction, it's the responsibility of the issuer to appropriately price their goods and set appropriate collateral requests. In other words: Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

Head Rigger In Charge

Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-20 19:24:54 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Hans Tesla wrote:
If you found a Battleship selling on the market for 1M ISK, would you not snap it up? Same thing.

Collateral is in the game for a reason.

...and anyway, considering some of the ridiculous collateral requirements out there, it's a bit karmic.


Problem is that most players don't pick up those packages with high collateral. They only want low collateral packages they could steal. Collateral is there for reason. Would you want your stuff stolen by someone who looks ways to make easy isk?




Because in a game where you cannot pursue justice against someone stealing your stuff, collateral is the only way to protect your interests. And I have had several packages with high collateral moved for me. I just make sure what I pay out is worth the effort to move and the risk of losing the package to a gank.

Few people will accept contracts to move 100K+m3 stuff with a 400m isk collateral for < 4 million isk, lol. Or if they do, they ARE hoping you under collateralize it.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#19 - 2012-06-20 20:12:50 UTC
Question, if I raised a contract for x amount with y collateral, found out who took it up and nuke their ship and take the cargo does this mean I get the collateral as the contract issuer?
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#20 - 2012-06-20 20:49:15 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
Question, if I raised a contract for x amount with y collateral, found out who took it up and nuke their ship and take the cargo does this mean I get the collateral as the contract issuer?


Yup. Not altogether uncommon in some areas of space. Part of the reason why some haulers turn to a life of jacking their under-collateralized cargo.

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