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Is it worth restarting?

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Justin Honorius
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-06-19 16:13:54 UTC
Hey all!

I just started playing EVE and have an Amarr character with about 350k (not even 1 mil) skill points. I'm putting his chips into mining mostly. When I first made him I had a real tough call between Amarr and Caldari. Caldari characters look much cooler to me and Iove the lore much more than the Amarr's lore.

This being said, is it worth rerolling? The lore thing really bugs me and I realize that racial things only matter for like an hour and half of training for the frigate, but I'm afraid I might regret it if I don't.

Thoughts? Opinions? Cheers.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-19 16:17:46 UTC
350k is absoulutely nothing, if it bothers you at all just reroll.
Justin Honorius
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-19 16:18:50 UTC
Cool, thanks for responding quickly.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-06-19 17:03:21 UTC
350K is like a week or two of training isnt it?


Even if you had 50 million skill points, you can still re-roll THAT character. You will actually set your self back by making a new toon. Aside from having horrible standing with NPC and not wanting to grind them back up, there is never any reason to make a new toon just to re-role. Unless you WANT 2 toons active.

FC, what do?

Ano Regni
YOKELS
#5 - 2012-06-19 17:04:47 UTC
I've been playing for 3 weeks now? And I've gone from Caldari, to Amarr, to Gallente. The benifit its that I Get to restart my skills in proper order and start right this time but then you're a week or 2 behind. All said and done, I wouldn't mind being Amarr but the characters just looked too old (which is why I picked Gallente), and Gallente have the ugliest ships I ever seen but I won't start over a 4th time (3 enough).

Bottom line, your only moved back a week if you just started, so its worth it to be happy with your character I think.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets

highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-06-19 17:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Ano Regni wrote:
I've been playing for 3 weeks now? And I've gone from Caldari, to Amarr, to Gallente. The benifit its that I Get to restart my skills in proper order and start right this time but then you're a week or 2 behind. All said and done, I wouldn't mind being Amarr but the characters just looked too old (which is why I picked Gallente), and Gallente have the ugliest ships I ever seen but I won't start over a 4th time (3 enough).

Bottom line, your only moved back a week if you just started, so its worth it to be happy with your character I think.


How can you have switched that much in only 3 weeks?

The characters start with such low SP now that re-making a new toon sets you back further than re-roling a current toon. Even if you are 1 week old.

What happens is you keep making character after character until a month or two ahs gone by an dyou have gotten no where. Where as, if you kept the same toon the whole time you will find yourself much further ahead.


Bottom line, new players don't grasp this concept sadly until they are a year old and only have 2 mill SP and wonder what happened. Sad ITs worh it to stay with your toon, its not worth it to start a new one just to train different skills since every single skill can be trained on every character. and most 1x , 2x or 3x skills can be trained to level 4 in under a week, which are what most new pilots end up training.

FC, what do?

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-19 18:31:33 UTC
Got multiple characters on many accounts
Don't give a shite how they look, EVE is about spaceships not space barbies.

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Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-19 19:12:10 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Got multiple characters on many accounts
Don't give a shite how they look, EVE is about spaceships not space barbies.

says the attractive female avatar in a Quafe t-shirt....Blink
Bjron
501st Amarr
#9 - 2012-06-19 19:47:09 UTC
Justin Honorius wrote:
Hey all!

I just started playing EVE and have an Amarr character with about 350k (not even 1 mil) skill points. I'm putting his chips into mining mostly. When I first made him I had a real tough call between Amarr and Caldari. Caldari characters look much cooler to me and Iove the lore much more than the Amarr's lore.

This being said, is it worth rerolling? The lore thing really bugs me and I realize that racial things only matter for like an hour and half of training for the frigate, but I'm afraid I might regret it if I don't.

Thoughts? Opinions? Cheers.

No.
No one cares what you look like, or where you started from. Soon you won't either. Its about space ships, the character thing is just icing on the top.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-06-19 19:49:54 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Got multiple characters on many accounts
Don't give a shite how they look, EVE is about spaceships not space barbies.

says the attractive female avatar in a Quafe t-shirt....Blink

I'm not sure flattery will work in arguments against J'Poll.

That said, I have characters of all races across my accounts, and have played enough with the character creator that I've realized that coolness is not racist.

The lore is also largely irrelevant. I've seen Amarr fighting alongside Minmatar freedom fighters, Minmatar corporate moguls, and other weird things. If anything, being an expatriate can be even more fun RP-wise.P

"Different ships/weapons" is also not an argument. I am Minmatar yet I'd say that lasers are my favorite weapon system. There is someone else in my corp who is Amarr but they have felt the call of ECM and they fly mostly Caldari now.

That said, so few SP is no big deal to scrap if you really want a Caldari character. Just make sure you realize it's a purely cosmetic change so far as the actual game is concerned.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Ano Regni
YOKELS
#11 - 2012-06-19 19:52:46 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Ano Regni wrote:
I've been playing for 3 weeks now? And I've gone from Caldari, to Amarr, to Gallente. The benifit its that I Get to restart my skills in proper order and start right this time but then you're a week or 2 behind. All said and done, I wouldn't mind being Amarr but the characters just looked too old (which is why I picked Gallente), and Gallente have the ugliest ships I ever seen but I won't start over a 4th time (3 enough).

Bottom line, your only moved back a week if you just started, so its worth it to be happy with your character I think.


How can you have switched that much in only 3 weeks?

The characters start with such low SP now that re-making a new toon sets you back further than re-roling a current toon. Even if you are 1 week old.

What happens is you keep making character after character until a month or two ahs gone by an dyou have gotten no where. Where as, if you kept the same toon the whole time you will find yourself much further ahead.


Bottom line, new players don't grasp this concept sadly until they are a year old and only have 2 mill SP and wonder what happened. Sad ITs worh it to stay with your toon, its not worth it to start a new one just to train different skills since every single skill can be trained on every character. and most 1x , 2x or 3x skills can be trained to level 4 in under a week, which are what most new pilots end up training.




That's why i'm a newb and that's what newbs do :) (stupid stuff)... learning the game, doing things backwards, trying to figure out what to do...

And yes a year from now I'll probably look back and say exactly what your saying.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-19 20:04:14 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Got multiple characters on many accounts
Don't give a shite how they look, EVE is about spaceships not space barbies.

says the attractive female avatar in a Quafe t-shirt....Blink


Hey I got that as a present when I wanted to watch Fanfest in HD. Why not wear it.

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Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#13 - 2012-06-20 00:22:45 UTC
If creating a new character from scratch will improve your experience of the game, then go for it.

Over the years I've 'biomassed' so many characters it's ridiculous, but all in all I'd say it's been worth it.

My first 'proper' character was an Amarr female that I was really happy with, but when I started looking to join a 'proper' Corp with voice-comm's I started to get really self conscious about having a female avatar, so I sold the character on the Bazaar and made a Gallente male.

It was only once I got onto voice-comm's with people that I realised that practically every female avatar in this game is actually a guy in real-life, and that a surprising amount of male avatars are actually women -- no-one cares really, so go with whatever's going to make you happiest.

Personally, if I were you, I'd definitely re-roll. The skill point loss is minimal.

You'll also have a better idea of what skills you want to develop first, which isn't bad at all...
Jih'dara
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-22 22:30:01 UTC
Justin Honorius wrote:
Hey all!

I just started playing EVE and have an Amarr character with about 350k (not even 1 mil) skill points. I'm putting his chips into mining mostly. When I first made him I had a real tough call between Amarr and Caldari. Caldari characters look much cooler to me and Iove the lore much more than the Amarr's lore.

This being said, is it worth rerolling? The lore thing really bugs me and I realize that racial things only matter for like an hour and half of training for the frigate, but I'm afraid I might regret it if I don't.

Thoughts? Opinions? Cheers.


I think it's cool that you are taking the lore of the Amarr/ Caldari into account with your character.

Sadly (or thankfully, depending on your perspective) not everyone in EvE even like to roleplay their character. They mostly choose their race based on what ship types they like.

Arguably, Amarr and Minmatar are the best ships for player vs. player combat, Caldari and Gallente are the best ships for 'player versus Eve' or missions.

Sure you could re-roll your character if you felt like it, but you don't NEED to, you could also use your two other character slots as alts.

When I first started EvE, someone told me to use all three of my alts. One should be a miner/ manufacturer, one should be a fighter/ missioner, and one should be a hauler/ trader. That covers most of what anyone would want to do in EvE.

You said you've already trained your Amarr character as a miner, and now you want to start a Caldari character. So, just stop training on the one and start training on the new Caldari character. Make the Caldari your main character, and the Amarr character as an alt. An alt can come in handy for things like hauling, which takes three days to train. Amarrians have some of the best haulers in EVE, especially the cloaking tech 2 Transport ships.

it helps your story that the Caldari and Amarr are allies. Amarr is also a good choice as a miner since Amarrians own 40% of high sec space, yet they are one of the least popular races to play. This means there are lots of empty mining belts in Amarr high sec, which is the opposite of how it is for the Caldari.

As others pointed out though, you could be born as an Amarrian and decide you are an Atheist who wants to join a Caldari corporation, or be a Minmatar that owns other Minmatar as slaves, etc. The choice of race is just cosmetic really. You can fly any ships of any race you want, and your character's backstory is pretty much what you want it to be.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#15 - 2012-06-23 13:52:44 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:


Bottom line, new players don't grasp this concept sadly until they are a year old and only have 2 mill SP and wonder what happened. Sad ITs worh it to stay with your toon, its not worth it to start a new one just to train different skills since every single skill can be trained on every character. and most 1x , 2x or 3x skills can be trained to level 4 in under a week, which are what most new pilots end up training.




That's why i'm a newb and that's what newbs do :) (stupid stuff)... learning the game, doing things backwards, trying to figure out what to do...

And yes a year from now I'll probably look back and say exactly what your saying.[/quote]

Don't feel too bad. I remember doing the same thing. Made a minnie. Hated the ships. Made a caldari. Ended up hating the ships. (back in those days all caldari ships were black with a red stripe) I wanted to drive pretty ships, so I chose amarr even though everyone was sure CCP hated Amarr and they would always suck.

Stuck with Iria since. And have several times wished I hadn't recreated. But now it hardly matters.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-23 14:46:58 UTC
Well, for starting miners, it's pretty profitable with all the events that happened in the past 1-2 months.

When Bon Scott died and he appeared before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, St. Peter looked at his record and told him he couldn't get in. Just then, God screams at Peter, "Let him in, Karen Carpenter is driving me nuts. I want to hear some music with balls. We'll haggle over the paperwork later." At least I hope that's what happened.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-23 14:52:35 UTC
Jim Roebuck wrote:
Well, for starting miners, it's pretty profitable with all the events that happened in the past 1-2 months.


I've been a miner from day one. Though I did branch out into other parts, my main profession is and will stay mining/industry.

And to be honest, people who say: "You should do 'this' cause it makes more money.", are playing the game wrong.
EVE is a game and a game is about having fun.

So if you have fun mining, then mine. If you don't have fun mining, then don't mine. Same with missions, incursion, ratting, trading, exploration or what so ever. Just keep in mind, EVE is a PvP playground in it's bare idea, so you can't negate PvP at all.

But the main thing: Do what you want to do. Do something which means you have fun playing the game.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#18 - 2012-06-25 13:41:58 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Jim Roebuck wrote:
Well, for starting miners, it's pretty profitable with all the events that happened in the past 1-2 months.


I've been a miner from day one. Though I did branch out into other parts, my main profession is and will stay mining/industry.

And to be honest, people who say: "You should do 'this' cause it makes more money.", are playing the game wrong.
EVE is a game and a game is about having fun.

So if you have fun mining, then mine. If you don't have fun mining, then don't mine. Same with missions, incursion, ratting, trading, exploration or what so ever. Just keep in mind, EVE is a PvP playground in it's bare idea, so you can't negate PvP at all.

But the main thing: Do what you want to do. Do something which means you have fun playing the game.


Your post is made of win. I try so often to explain this to people and they just won't get it.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#19 - 2012-06-25 14:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Renier Gaden
Your name and your race are two things in this game that you can’t change on a character. They have no effect on game mechanics, but they may effect first impressions when people meet you.

A week’s worth of training is not much to sacrifice. If you are not happy with your race or name, reroll now, while your skill loss will be minimal. You don’t want to be over 10 million skill points and be kicking yourself because you hate the way your Avatar picture looks.

Also this:
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You said you've already trained your Amarr character as a miner, and now you want to start a Caldari character. So, just stop training on the one and start training on the new Caldari character. Make the Caldari your main character, and the Amarr character as an alt. An alt can come in handy for things like hauling, which takes three days to train. Amarrians have some of the best haulers in EVE, especially the cloaking tech 2 Transport ships.


Alts on your main account are often used for things like checking market prices in a trade hub, or doing Planetary Interaction. Having some skills on your alt will probably come in handy later.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-06-25 17:55:45 UTC
Since you can train any character to do anything I wouldn't biomass your current toon, and since you can have up to three on one account you can try out other races with out biomassing a character or selling it.

I think with less and less emphasis in the game system on racial traits plays more into the lore of what it means to be a capsuleer.

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