Science & Industry

LOL


Rarely do posts make me really laugh out loud but that was great.

your maths are slightly incorrect since you should be producing 120 P2 per day if you can extract 6000 P0 per hr, but anyway they give the right proportion of PI incomes. I'd just like to point out that in low sec you can get the same icomes and even some more on a single character extracting 12k P0/hr thus 240 P2 per day on a single planet. Of course you'll have to double also taxes and add some more if you produce at least one P3.

What is also remarkable as far as I've seen is that assuming you have both CCU and IC at lvl 4, you won't get much more going null or even w-space (which should be the best since -1 sec), simply because with said skills you can't add a 3rd ECU or install the BIF to support an extra AIF. I could be wrong tho since I only made some maths and never installed a CC in 0.0 nor in -1. Basically you should try to extract 18k P0 units with less heads (at least 2 less heads, maybe 3) and I doubt it is possible.

If I'm still correct now, then things could change quite a lot skilling CCU and IC at lvl 5. Having them, owning your own POCO's and being in w-space would give you easily the so much desired plex/month and prolly even more, but meh! that's a really risky business and you will need to scout a lot before going to scoop your stuff, not to mention POCO griefers and wardecs

Don't remember who it was, but I heartily second the poster above who said you'd want to commit suicide if your PI scheme was too involved. Pretty much the same thing happened to me at one point, totally burnt me out on it for quite awhile.

It's true that PI pays off proportional to your effort, but even a lazy player who doesn't min/max every detail can still do fairly well. I've got 15 planets, propped up by the 3 characters on my account mostly working to keep a single p4 factory running 24/7 (doable with lvl 4 skills and pretty decent low sec planets). This makes me about 250 mil profit per month, plus whatever a single spare p2 world makes, and since I do 7 day cycles that means I spend about 1-2 hours a week on PI.

In my experience and hearing what others have to say, PI seems to suffer from a bit of a diminishing-returns curve at high levels: you can make a few mil a month for virtually no effort at all, and a couple hundred mil a month for only slight effort...but at the point where your PI operations are drawing billions of ISK, unless you have VERY high quality planets, there's quite probably something more efficient you could be making money at. It's definitely worth dealing with, though...I can attest that PI was the profession that got me 'off the ground', isk-wise, so that I didn't have to wonder where my next set of mods was coming from.

So nice to come back to eve...after all this time in D3 -monk in inferno:)
I make that money what you say, just need 1 day for combining alts....comand center 3 and planets 3 , and you only put 6 basic+1launchpad so this are youre combiners for free. meean wile your 5 5 skils char extract double the raw material with 2 extractors 19 heads 1 launch pad and 3 storage facility. nice no? and is all for free:) cos of the 21 day invite +30 day plex. Uber cool.
Ok my sugestion, on the combiners do them exaclty as the extractors so you will not move anything at all. just jetison so you do not need any bestower on the combiners just a ship cos you wil have 27k m3 can to move stuff around.
ok later hope it was of any help.

I can't speak for others, but for me PI was really something that I just got into as a safety net. Even if we got wardecced and I got my butt blasted all the way back into a rookie ship, nothing can take away my planet factories once they're placed and I can manage them without even leaving my hanger. So long as I can get the lowliest industry ship out to the customs office and back, I'm going to have some kind of income coming in. Even if you're just making a measly 1 million ISK a day, well that's a couple disposable frigates or a cheap destroyer that effectively cost you nothing and with zero risk. So even if worse comes to worst, I'll still have PI income to fall back on.

Also, if you're in a corp that has or wants to have a POS (I don't), then PI for pretty much every player in is a Very Good Thing. If you can get everyone in your corp fabricating things like Robotics, Mechanical Parts, Oxygen, and Enriched Uranium then your corp as a whole will save quite a few ISK over time when it comes to fuel costs (i.e. make it yourselves and $ave). And that's before you get into advanced ship construction... So it's not always about making money. PI can also be a tool to save money, too. Which, if you think about it, is just as good in the long run.

I guess people should start asking for calculations not in terms of per hour, but in terms of characters. These replies discussing using 15 characters are plain ridiculous!

Well, POS Fuel stuff like Enriched Urin and Coolant did go significantly down.

I don't know if it is worthwhile to stick to those, but I'm no market expert.

Ah did that had to do with the general Hulkaggedon/ Ice miner gankage?

Does TEST know you're doing lowly, cowardly carebear sh!t like that?!??!! Shame on you!!

I just run PI with 21 processors and churn P1 into P2.

Between the two types of P1, the average cost is ~255/unit.

80 units * 255 = 20,400isk
it creates 5 units of output, for 4,080/unit.
About 25% tax one you include input and output, so tack on 1k isk

costs me about 5k/unit output
turn around and sell for 7k, or about 1.9k net profit after fess/taxes/etc.
1.9k/unit
5 units/processor
21 processors per planet
6 planets all in high sec one jump from a hub
1.9*5*21*6=1,197k/hour net profit
24 hours per day = 28,728k/day
30 days per month = 861.840m/month

The biggest issue is it takes 725,760 units every 3 days and it has to be refilled every 3 days. That also means I have to have about 190mil of P1 on hand to refill, every 3 days. I purchase when it's low and have a 1.5-2bil isk stockpile of P1.

Yes, I could turn around and resell the P1, but it turns out the market already has too much and the volumes that I go through, I can't turn over P1 fast enough. My revenue is much higher converting to P2 and the margins are about the same.

edit: forgot to multiply by 5 for the units/cycle