Player Features and Ideas Discussion

~2 mil is pushing it for fitting out a CHEAP frigate for tackling, so yea they are loot pinatas. Why are you T2 fitting a DISPOSABLE tackler to begin with? Some lucky guy is going to strike it rich looting your wreck. You are in a frigate, and no amount of pimpage is going to save you from a hurricane, or even a damn destroyer.

I was thinking about that this week as well, but destroyers are bigger, slower (half the warp speed of frigates) and you might as well use a cruiser like the osprey if that's the case. I don't see any battlecruiser sized logi ships, I see no value in destroyer hull logi.

And the stats on the attack frigates do need to be better balanced, the condor definitely looks weak on paper.

This is not the good Thread . Finding a solution against afk cloakers is really important but here, we talk about the T1 frigs.

These T1 Interceptors are great. But be careful to not make them better than T2 versions, because of the price difference.
Interceptors oftenly die so why using 25 Million ISK T2 ships if a 2 Millions ship can do the job

EXECUTIONER:
Frigate skill bonuses: -10% to small energy turret capacitor need and +5% small energy turret damage per level
Role bonus: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost
Slot layout: 4 H, 3 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 45 PWG, 140 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 250 / 400 / 350
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 360 / 180 s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 455 / 2.85 / 1090000 / 2.91s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 27.5km / 920 / 4
Sensor strength: 8 Radar
Signature radius: 31
Cargo capacity: 115

CRUSADER:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level
Interceptor Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty and 7.5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Tracking Speed per level
Role bonus: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost
Slot layout: 4 H, 2 M, 4 L, 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 40 PWG, 100 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 246 / 597 / 597
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 375 / 281 s / 1.33
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 410 / 3.1 / 1050000 / 3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 20 km / 975 / 4
Sensor strength: 9 Radar
Signature radius: 32
Cargo capacity: 135

a design question that should be answered by a dev:
in a 1vs1 setting, how confident should an attack frigate feek when engaging a combat frigate?
i know this is a multiplayer game and all that, but its an important question nonetheless. if you were forming a wolf pack, and the attack frigates were about as dps-heavy as the brawler types, why would anyone need to fly the latter?

I don't see this as a problem. The shield tankers (Condor, Slasher) have much larger EHP but lower DPS. Conversely, the armour tankers have less EHP but higher damage.

In your example above, you have put plates and armour rigs on the Executioner and Atron, giving them more EHP but slowing them down. The wisdom of that is debatable, but the point I am trying to make is that armour tankers have to choose between tank or gank+speed.

Without this double damage bonus, these frigates would only be bad interceptors ; they are not meant to be bad interceptors, they are attack ships. The whole point of this class is to put combat ship like dps, but sacrificing tank for speed.

Hence they should make good cheap interceptors or kiters.

In regards to the previous combat ship rebalance, this will be very interesting I think.

PS : warp disruptor are very cap hungry on T1 frig, way more than warp scrambler ; freeing this cap will give them more options for using warp disruptor.

You're missing the point. Fit them cheaply and you'll achieve the same massive gap in performance

YOU might fit them with T1 or low meta stuff, but there are many who won't. Even with those fits it's considerably cheaper than the typical interceptor. Personally, I've flown in merlins (with HG crystals) and rifters (with HG snakes) that topped 200m ISK so basic T2 fitted frigs isn't too far out of the question.

ATRON:

Frigate skill bonuses: +5% to small hybrid turret damage and +10% to small hybrid turret fallof per level
Role bonus: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost
Slot layout: 4 H, 3 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 42 PWG, 147 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 300 / 350 / 400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 / 165 s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 420 / 2.8 / 1050000 / 2.75s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 22.5km / 900 / 4
Sensor strength: 8 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 35
Cargo capacity: 145


SLASHER:

Frigate skill bonuses: +5% to small projectile turret damage and +7.5% to small projectile turret tracking per level
Role bonus: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost
Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M, 2 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 35 PWG, 135 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350 / 300 / 300
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 240 / 120 s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 430 / 2.83 / 1075000 / 2.85s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 20km / 940 / 4
Sensor strength: 7 Ladar
Signature radius: 30
Cargo capacity: 120


Let me see.

Atron has more HP, more agility, same speed after you use a propulsion mod due to mass, more sensor strenght more lock range more cargo , easier to fit, more capacitor. Better bonus ( to hell with tracking when being able to fire further enacts same result).

Slasher has 1 less signature radius and 4% more resolution? Even the extra mid is not that great since its hard to fit anything useful there.

Yeah.. really?

This doesn't make sense to me either.