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Enforcing the law.

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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#1 - 2011-09-30 19:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
As per repeated entreatments on this fora I have requested few persons to take upon themselves to enforce Amarrian law within the Republic space. Primary aim for this law enforcement has been retributive action for the illegal taking of slaves.

As a result of the operation I am happy to publicly announce that the first set of free born tribals, illegally taken from their homes have been returned to their homes, families and tribes. Unfortunately the return of these individuals has required some liberties to be taken with the Republic law, most importantly laws concerning smuggling.

In related news after a hearing of possible grievances from the escapees, some escaped slaves have been returned to their appropriate holders. One case of possible malfeance to the soul under guidance of a holder is being resolved due to these hearings.

Unfortunately the numbers of illegally captured to have been released as well as escaped slaves returned are relatively small. Respectfully counted in hundreds of people and tens of souls. It is my sincere hope that any Faithful currently seeking for ways to advance the cause of God give consideration to a short visit within the Republic.

If travelling to the Republic I would also remind all Faithfull that a cargo hold of grain will likely be a most welcome gift to any Amarrian church within the area, enabaling our brethren in Faith to show largesse in turn.

Captain Crow
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-30 19:52:10 UTC
Upholding Amarrian law is a very important matter. I'm glad that someone is doing what is right, illegal slave raids are disgraceful to the Empire.

I wish you luck on your work.

Thgil Goldcore
Marshal Commander
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#3 - 2011-10-01 03:46:38 UTC
I salute your efforts. Illegal harvesting is a terrible thing that needs to be stomped out at the highest levels.

Aside from legal and ethical aspects, the slaves taken are usually the worst sort, inundating the market with terrible stock. In addition, 'Holders' who partake in the fruits of these raids are the most likely to terribly abuse their charges, in addition to having no regard whatsoever for proper spiritual cultivation.

An incredibly high ratio of harrowing stories of slave abuse, the kinds that have so often prolonged and inflamed Republic citizens' antagonism towards The Holy Empire, originate from this black trade of unlicensed and unsanctioned raiding.

If I, or any of my network of contacts, can be of use to you in the pursuit of your goal, do let me know.

-CrdGrae

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#4 - 2011-10-02 20:08:10 UTC
It has been a long time since I have had anything to say in this tone towards any member of the CVA, but I find this action...refreshing.

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Khimi Harar
#5 - 2011-10-04 23:03:26 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
It has been a long time since I have had anything to say in this tone towards any member of the CVA, but I find this action...refreshing.


To reciprocate such an offer in any way you deem suitable would be the honorable thing to do. By you or perhaps another.

Perhaps tyrant Shakor will find it in his heart to reciprocate the release of all the slaves of the 9th generation and above.

Perhaps the Republic will find another way to reciprocate the gestures of peace made by the Amarr Empire in another way than sending in a capital fleet for a sneak attack on our core worlds.

One can only hope.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#6 - 2011-10-04 23:48:55 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
the gestures of peace made by the Amarr Empire
It is up to you to carry this example, the lessons of God's chosen, and reinstate the Empire of Amarr to its former and rightful glory. We need you to reclaim the Minmatar from the drudge, chaos and inhumanity in which they currently dwell, and into God's light. We are their angels. We must be their saviors.

Could we please return this gesture of peace? It seems faulty, we'd like a new one.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#7 - 2011-10-05 09:31:45 UTC
When my congregation can except to see amarrian law to enforced within Providence?

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#8 - 2011-10-05 13:23:13 UTC
Interesting how the Amarr think we owe them any 'reciprocation' at all. Given that they invaded us first and stole many of our people from their homes among the stars first, and without provocation. And they still hold them to this day.

If reciprocation is what you want, then look elsewhere. If you wish to repair the damage you have done then proceed and be grateful that we have it in our nature to view your actions as genuine, still.

That said, I share Ugleb's sentiments on this current CVA policy. Now you need to go a few steps further to continue the repairing process.

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Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#9 - 2011-10-05 14:52:53 UTC
First I will clarify, that this is an action taken by a single Faithfull and only on my word. Whether this action influences CVA or CLRGY policies is not for me to decide.

Quite frankly, I expect no reciprocation from any member of the Matari tribes. What I expect are death threats, complaints for interfering on the Republic matters and demands of action as if I was somehow at the beck and call of these heathens. Lord of All knows, I have little reason to expect anything else.

What exactly makes the Matari think they are in a position to demand anything from the Faithfull let alone from the Imperial Throne, I have no idea. Wise ones among the Matari tribes might try and dispose of the notion.

Captain Crow.

Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#10 - 2011-10-05 15:01:31 UTC
Bravo.

Perhaps now you should all start working with Republic Fleet agents since they seem to be among the only people with up to date information on these illegal Amarrian slave raids.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#11 - 2011-10-05 15:01:50 UTC
Vaari wrote:
When my congregation can except to see amarrian law to enforced within Providence?


Lord Vaari, clearly your flock need not look further than to yourself to receive Amarrian justice. Certainly there is very little need for a single Djinn such as I to do in securing those under your guidance.

If you are seeking martial assistance for a specific project, I would suggest a private communication to CVA leadership might provide more than my meager influence ever will.

With respect
Captain Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#12 - 2011-10-05 17:25:17 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

What exactly makes the Matari think they are in a position to demand anything from the Faithfull let alone from the Imperial Throne, I have no idea. Wise ones among the Matari tribes might try and dispose of the notion.


Let's try it your way: we Matari will come and occupy your home and enslave your people for seven centuries. We'll scatter you halfway across the galaxy and give empty promises of reparations that are never made. We'll make overtures of peace, but blatantly do nothing beyond a few token responses designed to placate the masses and silence protesting voices for a little while.

After all, that seems to be the Empire's approach to foriegn policy. Why should we be any different?

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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#13 - 2011-10-07 01:52:25 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

What exactly makes the Matari think they are in a position to demand anything from the Faithfull let alone from the Imperial Throne, I have no idea. Wise ones among the Matari tribes might try and dispose of the notion.


Let's try it your way: we Matari will come and occupy your home and enslave your people for seven centuries. We'll scatter you halfway across the galaxy and give empty promises of reparations that are never made. We'll make overtures of peace, but blatantly do nothing beyond a few token responses designed to placate the masses and silence protesting voices for a little while.

After all, that seems to be the Empire's approach to foreign policy. Why should we be any different?


Had I a thread of faith that the only thing keeping the Matari tribes from attempting this, was not the retribution of God manifested by the Imperial Navy. I might be more inclined to believe words of peace from the tribes. But please, do keep ranting and demanding.

Do the tribes think that because the Empire has publicly chosen to accept, for the time being, that it's 'individuals' and 'tribes unaffiliated with the Republic' attacking our civilians, murdering Faithful and persecuting those who hold on to their Faith even in the tribal areas. That because the Imperial Throne accepts these excuses, the continued failures to bring your criminals to account for their crimes. That we are all fooled? Blinded by your, ever so clever political subterfuge?

No Faithful is fooled when you fail to bring to justice those violating treaties, when you do nothing but cheer at the warcriminals attacking us. the Empire has decidedly not reciprocated Matari acts of war, that alone should be understood as an act of peace beyond any other.

The militia act was entered by all four signatories and I do not consider those following the established ROE to be war-criminals, criminals or terrorists based on their participation in that conflict. Militia acts conflict is likely to end when the treaty so says and all it's signatories agree. I include this so we can skip that discussion.

In short the Matari have taken on themselves to demand of the Empire and of the Faithful, as if they had won a war, or were somehow in position to threathen the Empire so that the Imperial Throne should capitulate.

You have not won a war, you are in no position to demand anything from the Faithful and the only reason you are in a restricted conflict instead of defending yourselves against the real fleets of war flying under every holder and the Imperial Navy in a good old fashioned Reclaiming? Is the forebearance of the moderates and the willingness of the Imperial Throne in it's mercy to give your feeble excuses the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, I think it's high-time the Faithfull started reciprocrating, perhaps we can by our excample show what it means.
Captain Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#14 - 2011-10-07 04:10:41 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

[...]defending yourselves against the real fleets of war flying under every holder and the Imperial Navy in a good old fashioned Reclaiming? [...]


You speak as though the Empire would most definitely win such a conflict, and that the only reason it hasn't Reclaimed the Matari people is due to mercy.


I'll put it this way: an all-out conflict would be devestating for the entire cluster. It would be absolute chaos, with the Covenant raiding Empire space just to spite the Theology Council, and the Sansha doing their thing on all fronts. Meanwhile, the Gallente and Caldari would still have their own conflicts to worry about but would also have to deal with the wild card of their proverbial side-flanks collapsing in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict while at the same time dealing with opportunistic outlaw organizations.

It'd be a mess to say the least, and I'm sure its for those pragmatic reasons rather than mercy that your Empire hasn't embarked on such a hubristic and foolhardy endeavor. The Empress is wiser than that.
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-07 04:55:18 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

[...]defending yourselves against the real fleets of war flying under every holder and the Imperial Navy in a good old fashioned Reclaiming? [...]


You speak as though the Empire would most definitely win such a conflict, and that the only reason it hasn't Reclaimed the Matari people is due to mercy.


I'll put it this way: an all-out conflict would be devestating for the entire cluster. It would be absolute chaos, with the Covenant raiding Empire space just to spite the Theology Council, and the Sansha doing their thing on all fronts. Meanwhile, the Gallente and Caldari would still have their own conflicts to worry about but would also have to deal with the wild card of their proverbial side-flanks collapsing in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict while at the same time dealing with opportunistic outlaw organizations.

It'd be a mess to say the least, and I'm sure its for those pragmatic reasons rather than mercy that your Empire hasn't embarked on such a hubristic and foolhardy endeavor. The Empress is wiser than that.


If you feel she is wise then trust in that wisdom. She has said the end of Slavery is nigh and she means that. Trust that she has many people she has to deal with to make things happen.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#16 - 2011-10-07 06:02:16 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
If you feel she is wise then trust in that wisdom. She has said the end of Slavery is nigh and she means that. Trust that she has many people she has to deal with to make things happen.


In my opinion, as is the case with all leaders the Empress must show not only wisdom but bravery and tenacity. Regardless of whether or not the slave raids into the Republic are sanctioned or not, they are based out of Empire space and thus fall within the Empire's jurisdiction. The Empress is within full power to stop these slave raids, in other words. When she stops them, I will be most pleased. She's already done a good job with freeing ninth-gen and up, but the task is great and long. Will she be able to balance the demands of the Holders with those of the Matari people?

Surely a ruler blessed and ordained by God can do this. Only time will tell.
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#17 - 2011-10-07 09:12:54 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
In short the Matari have taken on themselves to demand of the Empire and of the Faithful, as if they had won a war, or were somehow in position to threathen the Empire so that the Imperial Throne should capitulate.


So we can only demand that all slaves be freed and the Empire discontinues the vile practice if we win a war? Well, it fall sin line with your Empire's previous traditions of the strong suppressing the will of the weak. I think that we demand this without having that criteria checked off on a life's list shows we are nothing like you.

We make demands because we have won something. We have won morality and rightness.

But if you want to go there, I remind you the Minmatar Republic exists because we did win a war, too... I don't presume for one moment that this means the Empire has been laid low and we will now take our spoils of war owed to us under your own structure of entitlement.

Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Personally, I think it's high-time the Faithfull started reciprocrating, perhaps we can by our excample show what it means.
Captain Crow.


So, you entertain thoughts of reversing your policy that free Matari have come here to grudgingly commend, and resume doing to us what some of our people do to you? The reverse of the liberation raids into Amarr space would be resuming legal slave raids into Minmatar space.

By all means, show how thin your conviction is to righting the wrongs of the past by engaging in a game of tit for tat. I for one would be sad to see that you have no real honest purpose to your actions of returning those enslaved in illegal raids into our space, and lament the proof before us that this was nothing more than trying to score a moral high ground to then try and paint us as the wrong party in the war between our people.

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Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#18 - 2011-10-07 11:41:55 UTC
Darius Shakor wrote:

Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Personally, I think it's high-time the Faithfull started reciprocrating, perhaps we can by our excample show what it means.
Captain Crow.


So, you entertain thoughts of reversing your policy that free Matari have come here to grudgingly commend, and resume doing to us what some of our people do to you? The reverse of the liberation raids into Amarr space would be resuming legal slave raids into Minmatar space.

By all means, show how thin your conviction is to righting the wrongs of the past by engaging in a game of tit for tat. I for one would be sad to see that you have no real honest purpose to your actions of returning those enslaved in illegal raids into our space, and lament the proof before us that this was nothing more than trying to score a moral high ground to then try and paint us as the wrong party in the war between our people.


I am not talking of 'reversing policies' or 'repairing wrongs of the past'. Actions on my word within the Republic are in support of Amarrian law and current policy of Imperial Throne. Possibility of a soul freed by a holder ending in illegal slavery should be a universal concern of all Faithful.

You are not talking with some liberal, to treat with you as if you were a clan leader talking to a young warrior. You can demand till your throat bleeds and your limbs wither, you will find it to neither hold my hand or move it. You wish action from me you will do well to request.

a Direct reversal of these 'liberations' would indeed be the return of legal slave raids to the offenders area. However I think there are plenty of other policies and actions we can reciprocate before any need to even discuss a return to actions currently under debate by some subjects of the Imperial Throne.

Perhaps we shall start with a recent excample easily found on this fora, as it also provides a venue for protection against illegal slavers:

Any congregation of Faith in fear for their members life or limb within Tribal space, due to their Faith is hereby offered personal armament and training. Any established congregation in these areas wishing to send persons of strong faith in as my personal guests for extended training to be passed on to others of Faith is invited to establish communications.

Captain Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#19 - 2011-10-07 15:25:20 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

Any congregation of Faith in fear for their members life or limb within Tribal space, due to their Faith is hereby offered personal armament and training. Any established congregation in these areas wishing to send persons of strong faith in as my personal guests for extended training to be passed on to others of Faith is invited to establish communications.


And just how many congregants will begin to feel that fear when they see the first Matari that won't bow and scrape to them?

I mean, you're giving them guns and sending them into Republic space. How long do you think it'll be before some knee-jerk paranoid ( Amarr or Matari) shoots first and asks questions later?

This policy, if I may be frank, is a recipie for disaster.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#20 - 2011-10-07 20:49:13 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
It has been a long time since I have had anything to say in this tone towards any member of the CVA, but I find this action...refreshing.


To reciprocate such an offer in any way you deem suitable would be the honorable thing to do. By you or perhaps another.

Perhaps tyrant Shakor will find it in his heart to reciprocate the release of all the slaves of the 9th generation and above.

Perhaps the Republic will find another way to reciprocate the gestures of peace made by the Amarr Empire in another way than sending in a capital fleet for a sneak attack on our core worlds.

One can only hope.


Huh. Presumably we're discussing the Elder War now? The day that the Elder's moved to secure the last remaining Starkmanir from Imperial slave populations. An ethnic group that the Amarr had attempted to commit genocide against, and until recently believed themselves successful. 'Tyrant Shakor', democratically elected leader of the Republic, does not have any hostage populations to release, your witch queen on the other hand still does.

Now as you have raised the question, what action do you believe I could perform that would satisfy my questioned honour? What should I do to reciprocate Captain Crow's intent to uphold the laws of his own nation?

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