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AFK mining, what alternative is there???
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Lady Darkmoon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-18 23:53:28 UTC
In so many threads people complain about AFK miners and this, seemingly, is a huge, bad, horrible thing to do and said people deserve to be ganked repeatedly.

I'll offer a challenge... How do you NOT AFK mine in EVE?

Fly into belt.
Lock roids.
Activate strip miners.
...
...
When cargo is full, either return to station or drop jcan for a hauler or an Orca.

Now, between activating mining lasers and dropping can YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING BUT WAIT. Sorry for caps but feel I need to emphasize this. Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.

So what is a miner who is NOT afk going to do so that he is, well, not afk?

Fly the mining ship manually around the roid at 60 m/s?
Annoy people in local with meaningless discussions about religion, life and politics?
Swith target and mine a different roid at end of each 3 minute cycle?

What?

Please tell me how anyone who is mining in EVE, due to how CCP has made mining work in the game, will not be, or appear to be afk mining?

Personally I chat with friends ingame, watch youtube, read books on my ipad and so on... And target roids and reactivate miners as needed. Am I actively doing much in the game? No, but that is how CCP has made it. Courier missions are no different, especially not now that autopilot flies to station and docks for you. Add destination, undock, start autopilot, go make dinner, return to game, deliver mission and undock, autopilot, go eat your dinner....

Guess that means AFK mission running too.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2012-06-19 02:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Second post and we're already deep into Goodwinia.


(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#3 - 2012-06-19 02:36:30 UTC
The alternative is to...

Try moving out of high-sec...

Try using Dscan
Try staying aligned
Try watching local
Try for tank rather than gank (yeild)
Try preemptive a defence, bring a PvP ship

If your AFK your not playing the game, your providing targets... Play the game...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Mangold
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2012-06-19 03:36:27 UTC
It's not really that many people that hates high sec miners. They are very vocal on this forum though.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-19 03:56:14 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).


But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.

Raiz Nhell wrote:
If your AFK your not playing the game, your providing targets... Play the game...


I think many AFK cloakers disagree with you.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2012-06-19 03:58:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).


But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.


Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-19 04:46:10 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).


But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.


Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it.


Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2012-06-19 04:47:10 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).


But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.


Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it.


Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path.


Fair enough. But would you sink 300m+ (5-6 Tornados) to kill one Hulk (tanked+RR)?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-19 04:54:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Malacath Azaria wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).


But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.


Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it.


Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path.


Fair enough. But would you sink 300m+ (5-6 Tornados) to kill one Hulk (tanked+RR)?


Definately not. If the player is capable of having such initiative, there is no point in educating them as they're already educated & are actually playing the game. I'd only deviate from that if they had mods on the Hulk which would actually provide a profit.

So yes, I guess I do occaisionally gank for profit.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2012-06-19 06:36:15 UTC
When I'm mining I:

* Hit dscan every 5 seconds or less (a good habit learned from living in w-space for over 2.5 years).
* Watching local for tears and gank related messages.
* Watching local player counts for changes.
* Watching the people in local, and recognizing regulars and transients.
* Researching the kill-boards of the people, corps, and alliances in local and their associates.
* Checking on the stats of systems in the constellation and neighbours, in-game and on DOTLAN.
* Unloading 2 Hulks and Orca with a Bustard (I think I'm gonna switch to a second Orca just for this).
* Switching asteroids.
* Scanning asteroids and tagging them when they get low.
* Locating the next belt.
* Checking on the off-grid siege warfare booster.
* Killing NPC with the Orca's drones (same character is also a Rattlesnake pilot when doing missions).

With all that, I don't really have time for anything else. I have 7 accounts, and currently use 5 or 6 when mining.

I haven't lost a mining ship to another player yet (lost my first and only Retriever to the 6 cruiser NPC spawn on mining the ultra-rare Arkonor spawn in Artifact Recovery, got Hulk 2 days later), but have survived or avoided several attacks.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#11 - 2012-06-19 07:34:53 UTC
Besides what has already been mentioned (Maintain situational awareness, or make use of one of the various means to AFK mine relatively safely - Tanking isn't your only pre - emptive defence versus ganks, by the way) , consider training up the relevant market trading / industry / science skills, and use the time to maintain and update market orders / Science and Industry jobs. Making your minerals go further for you, even while you mine more. Graduate to being an industrialist instead of limiting yourself to being solely a miner.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-19 07:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Sevastian Liao wrote:
Maintain situational awareness


Warping to station and docking everytime when someone with negative sec status shouts in local "Miners beware! We're going to gank you now!" is really going to help.

And maybe 30 seconds later: "Just kidding. :D"
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#13 - 2012-06-19 08:09:45 UTC
If that happens to you constantly, perhaps consider that the real problem lies in your insistence to remain in that particular area of the sandbox where gankers like to visit, when much of the rest of the universe lies open to you. If you absolutely must continue mining there for whatever reason, then fit a tank for extra insurance, or mine in a mission belt / grav site. Perhaps make use of part or all of those options in a neighbouring system that has a higher security status. The options are there to stack the deck in your favour before you actually start mining. If you feel that doing any of the above is too much work then maybe you're pursuing the wrong profession to begin with.

As with a lot of things, you're only as much a victim as you believe yourself to be.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-19 08:22:37 UTC
Why everyone keeps suggesting moving to losec?

- Cyno
- Supers
- Tackling hero carrier

Yeah. Not going to work without 300+ battleships and 500+ sub-BS.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#15 - 2012-06-19 08:38:02 UTC
"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-19 08:46:31 UTC
Sevastian Liao wrote:
"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term.


Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local.
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-19 09:42:44 UTC
Lady Darkmoon wrote:
Please tell me how anyone who is mining in EVE, due to how CCP has made mining work in the game, will not be, or appear to be afk mining?

There's nothing wrong with appearing to be AFK Mining. As long as you're sitting at your computer with a tanked HulK and maybe some tackle, you'll be able to take the gankers by surprise when their gank-attempt fails due to ECM and Hammerheads. If you need something to do in the meantime while mining, keep an eye on D-scan and do something that requires less attention than mining.

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-19 09:45:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Sevastian Liao wrote:
"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term.


Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local.

He never said it had to be a backwater system I've seen multiple systems on routes between the SoE epic arc agents that never had more than 5-10 people in local at any time.

New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of _**your **_choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-19 10:03:06 UTC
Plaude Pollard wrote:
He never said it had to be a backwater system I've seen multiple systems on routes between the SoE epic arc agents that never had more than 5-10 people in local at any time.


That could be caused by few things:
- No stations in system
- Only few asteroid belts
- 0.5 system security and lowsec next door

Probably other reasons too.
Acid Kanshi
AIFAM
#20 - 2012-06-19 11:06:56 UTC
Watch woohoo on second monitor.

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