Science & Industry

That's not a suicide gank. Either there was a wardec or that orca went flashy to the attackers.

Confirmed my Orca with cargo expansion and no combat rigs still has about 230k EHP with a character that isn't maxed out on skills.

Personally I would suggest you just mine in covetors since they are nearly 1/9th the price of a hulk. With just a DCU for a tank and average skills you can easily have over 16k EHP.

The ganking is just way too simple, cheap and effortless.

A one week old alt with a catalyst can freely gank retrievers and hulks.

Sure, there are some that try to tank up their barge or exhumers, but realistically, how many miners/builders have invested weeks of training into shields? And how much more buffer do you really get compared to the insignificant time investment required to make a gank destroyer?

Not to mention the barges/exhumers are pretty tight on their CPU and PG, and adding extenders and/or resists quickly makes players without really good fitting skills end up being unable to fit the tank they need.

So your hulk tank withstands the gank attempt of one player in a catalyst. One week later you have two alts jumping you at same time cause they know you are trying to tank up your miner.

Really nice to have a 300mill isk ship be blown up by a 7 day old clown with a destroyer.

The barges and exhumers have way too little EHP compared to their cost (exhumers in particular). Granted, they have hinted at addressing those issues this winter. Until then it's free for everyone who is bored to just roll out alts and gank any miner in sight.

After the massive banwaves the mineral and ore prices have shot up, making ships, modules and ammo alot more expensive than it used to be. Great! AFK mining bots deserved no less. Ban them all.

Now we have "active" miners who are out there forming small fleets with friends and mining out ore and minerals to supply the market... and they are getting shredded by bored people's 7 day old alts. And people are actually standing around, dumbfounded, complaining about the expensive ore and mineral prices, and consequently ship / module prices.

Do you really think the ore/mineral prices will start to decrease when you first have all the bots banned, and then you have all the "legit" miners getting suicideganked and losing their barges and exhumers ?

Personally I know know several players that I've been mining with that have simply given up mining after losing their last ship to a gank, and instead they start training to do mission runs. Which, for me, is just fine cause I have a mission running alt that can fly with them, or just help salvage and move the loot.

However... less miners, and more mission runners, just means more demand for ships and ammo, meaning higher ore/mineral prices... yet again. If things keep going the way they are, especially with the low-cost suicide ganks becomming more frequent to the point where' it's more or less a sport, well... don't complain about high cost on ships.

Anyways, to get back on topic again.

Sure, you can try to tank out your miner/exhumer... but it's only a matter of how many week old alts are the gankers interested in training up or using. It's also pretty obvious, especially in EVE, that if you start to resist their gank they'll just up the ante and take it as a challenge.

And with the mining ships the way they are today, there's not much you can do, unless you actually want to either have alts siting on standby with logi's... or have actually friends or corp mates babysitting you 23/7.

TL;dr - As I said further up, ganking mining ships is way to cheap in both isk and time investment for the ganker compared to what the mining ships cost in terms of isk and skill training.

This doesn't change the fact that a simple 1 week alt with 2 mill investment can kill a 300 mill ship (mods not included).

Something is wrong with that picture and needs to be changed.

Sure, suicide ganking should be in the game, but it shouldn't be a free kill with zero cost related (and seriously, for most people who suicide gank with an alt, 2 mill is no cost investment whatsoever).